Make Proposals to United Planets

I think that this would be great, but I am definately worried about players exploiting it. How about as a random event that enables the player selection. Just something to spice things up without getting overpowered.

Alpha Centauri (and Civ4 apparently, haven't played it though so i'm not sure) styled UP would be nice.

what does influence points really do for you anyways?

Maybe you could research a technology, construct a united planets building and/or have a certain percentage of the influence / diplomachy to be able to suggest proposals.

As an influence player, I would probably have no problem exploiting that ability

It would be nice if you could bribe other race to vote with you.

I'm not sure, but I think they are the actual measure of how much your vote is worth when the U.P. meets.



That's precisely how you do it, buying influence points from other races, so you essentially get their voting power for the next U.P. proposal.

You can (by buying their IP), but it's not exactly the most obvious thing. Plus, you never know what the vote is going to be on...

I had an idea once for the UP. Where you can use the trad screen to see what your allies or maybe close relation AI's where going to vote and trade with them to vote your way. It would be better too if the AI could try to get you to chnge. I said allies because it would give some meaning to them outside of the victory condition.

I think it would be nice if the UP voted for a president, maybe based on popularity, influence and population morale. The president would get a list of topics (like 3) and he chooses which one the players would actually vote on.

Ever since DL was released, I've been pushing for a better UP. I remember numerous threads wanting this as well, but there hasn't been too many, if not at all, changes.

*Diplomacy should somehow fit in with voting. Higher Diplomacy = More votes or other Civs going along with you

*Ethical Alignment should affect the UP in some manner other than voting on Ethical Specific resolutions.

*As stated earlier, the ability to talk with other civs and be able to persuade them into voting your way. AI should also be implemented to do the same to you. (Eg: The Drengin will threaten you with war if you don't see their way.)

*Civ specific Resolutions. For instance, if the Korath use their Spore Ships, the UP will frown upon this and tax them or call upon other civs to help out the victims. This would need some major balancing.

*Also stated before, having a "president" of the UP. This would be voted upon by all the civs and elections could happen every three years or however long. You could even bribe civs to vote for you etc.

*Now with TA, Terror Star specific resolutions.

*I dunno how this could be implemented, but a UP military. Kind of how the UN today has their peacekeeping troops which are basically a conglomerate of other countries. Instead of a civ begging you for aid, a Resolution could be brought before the UP for aid and military action.

These are only a few things that could be done. Could add a lot of flavor to it.

There is a UP proposal to ban the use of Terror Stars.  This bans their construction, upgrading, and use for all civilizations in the game.  If you have any that are already finished, they cannot be used to attack anyone. 

 

 

And we can add high Espionage should let you know have Civs are going to vote.

i think any civ should be able to make proposeals once every few months or if they pay influence and credits they can do it 4 times in 3 months instead of just once and if your a super diplamat then you can do it twice every 2 months basicly a system to request different subjects to come up with a 50 50 chance at the base level for it to come up then add up certain galactic events like say if theres war between 3+ races then theres 25% bonus chance to them actually holding a meeting if requested for a galactic cease fire.

This thread has been dead for a bit, but I kind of want to revisit it. Playing through the Beta of TA, I have to say: With all the new improvements to the game, the UP part stands out even more now as being sub-par. Really, it has begun to feel slapped on and not complete.

When you join the UP, there is always this feeling of being one of the minor races. You can't propose any thing to be voted on, nor even know what the issues are until you show up. I mean, do you think that world leaders show up to the UN and someone just says, "Guess what, everyone: Today, we're voting on _____." IIt would be nice if the pop-up at least said, "UP meets next week to vote on ________."

When you take in to consideration the fact that, when you start, only civs that you have met are in the UP, and late game you can totally dominate the votes...why can't you propose something to vote on? Even if, like stated above, it's just from a list of choices like in Alpha Centauri.



Also, it would be nice if other races were included through out. If any races that have made contact with each other are in the council, why do they only show up if they've met the player? It would be easy enough to have the other races that have made contact with each other to show up, but have a blank screen for their portrait. That would be both more believable, and strategic in the early game, as you try to search out and unmask hidden power players.


As always, this is just my two credits, and nit picking a minor(ish) part of an otherwise awesome game.

There are a couple of things I'd really like to be changed about the United Planets:

1. The week (or more) before the voting, it would be announced what is going to be voted on.

2. All races that have made contact with another race are part of the UP, not just the ones the player has met.

3. The UP meets a bit more often, something like twice or four times a year... maybe.

Of course, seeing something akin to Alpha Centauri's Diplomacy features would be awesome, but that's something that would have to wait for GalCiv 3... of course, I'd like to see something like Alpha Centauri's atrocities too, rather than the current alignment system.

Is there an echo in here?

This is a big factor on how the UP operates that chafes me. I hope that there will be an option to use espionage on the UP in future patches. The result would be (depending on the expenditure and time) reports announcing the agenda of the annual UP meeting a month or more (or less depending on the effort put into it) ahead of the vote date. That way a player could try to utilize their diplomatic skill to gain influence votes.

An even better report would indicate how certain races will vote on issues. Plus another nice feature for diplomacy might be to offer a player options for voting against/for issues with other races (or getting them to vote with the player on certain issues).

Something that I think would be interesting would be if the UP voted for or appointed a chairman. It could be just a UP proposal that is voted on, or an appointment based upon popularity, relations with other civs, etc (or some combination). The chairman could receive some or all of the following features:

a) Boosted diplomacy (Note: this diplomacy bonus wouldn't apply when choosing a new chairman; otherwise whoever got in first would get a snowball effect where everyone liked you and repeatedly elected you)

Extra votes

c) As mentioned above, the ability to select proposals (as opposed to or in addition to random opportunities)

d) Something I haven't thought of...


This sort of feature would also give incentive to gain favor of other civs rather than crush them. I mean, not to rain on anyone's war machine, but does it really make sense that the conquering Korath can still enjoy the benefits of the UP while they systematically consume other civs? I would think that there would at least be trade sanctions against them.

How about for the once yearly vote the race with most influence get's to choose the proposal regardless of if that is the player or another race?

u.p didnt exist at all. aside from when and if it was formed.
seperate decision making bodies per ethical alignment.

ability to hav alliances defined on a regular basis

tht way you could see weak civs and minor races making consortiums and such
but those shld be private from the other races. with a more definitive voting topic
why am i in the u.p afterall
i know u can leave
but then u lose trade routes

diplomacy tech 'federation shld be an option
shld only be possible to be enabled when you exist in a federation of planets
ethical alignments shld hav different ultimate forms of government
only if these governments align shld they be able to form alliances of higher levels
than just going to war for one another, ie: enter u.p proposals.. starbase sharing, shared vision of shroud, shared trade economy, tourism proposals, things that benefit that particular group of civilizations.
when it comes to going to war this wld need to be decided. not "i'm going to war. you coming or are we terminating our alliance?"

replace cld with cldnt or the more apt shldnt where you see fit