Planetary Improvement Upgrade Times

There seems to be a lot of inconsistency with Planetary Improvement upgrade times, and I think it's been similar for every version I've had. At the moment I'm running Dark Avatar 1.7 beta 2. The issues I'm seeing are (and note that I've tried to get at the correct values but some may be off a bit and some seem to change from game to game):

1) The displayed time in the queue for an upgrade is incorrect - upgrades generally finish faster than what is displayed (the bar fills up more quickly and this can be seen)
2) The displayed time in the middle of the screen when the pgrade is selected is usually closer and sometimes correct, but even it can be off, in either direction
a) Sometimes, it starts off incorrect but after a turn or several turns has passed, it may correct itself
3) Upgrade times / social production costs don't seem consistent. For example, one time it was 60 to upgrade a Xeno Farm to an Intensive Farm but then another time it was 100
4) Some Upgrade paths don't make sense, but not sure if this was by design or not. For example:
a) Going from Basic Lab (40) to Invention Matrix (200) costs 150, and 40+150 is LESS than 200. However, going from Research Center (100) to Invention Matrix (200) costs 145 and 100+145 = 245 is a lot more than 200
c) It costs MORE to upgrade a Xeno Lab to a Research Center (75) than it does to upgrade a Basic Lab to a Research Center (60)

Is everyone seeing these issues? Does anyone know when/if the following might be available:
1) A fix to the above issues in the game display and mechanics
2) Perhaps a post that lays out a matrix of what all the upgrade costs / social production requirements are?
I haven't investigated the cost side as much as it relates to purchases upgrades, but it would be good to know those as well.

This would be really helpful, especially if some paths are more efficient than others. For example, from what I was able to tell:
- Going from Basic Farming (40) to Intensive Farming (100) is pretty efficient at a social production cost of 50 (40+50=90 is LESS than 100)
- Going from Intensive Farming (100) to Advanced Farming (120) is pretty inefficent at a social production cost of 70 (100+70=170 is significantly more than 120),
- Going from Basic Farming (40) to Advanced Farming (120) is pretty inefficent at a social production cost of 75 (40+75=115 is LESS than 120)
Therefore, if you can hold off, it is much more efficent to go from Basic to Advanced (total cost of 115) than from Basic to Intensive to Advanced (total cost of 40+50+70 = 160).

Thanks so much in advance for any info/help that can be provided.
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Reply #1 Top
Hi!
Upgrades in most versions of DA are flawed - their costs are quite often weird, displayed time-to-finish completely wrong. Known for quite a long time.

2) Perhaps a post that lays out a matrix of what all the upgrade costs / social production requirements are?

You're an optimist.

BR, Iztok

Reply #2 Top
Could be . . . but anyone know when the costs as well as the display might be able to be fixed? The info would be nice as well but probably the mechanics would be most essential to fix.
Reply #3 Top
I've noticed that building an improvemnt from scratch will take the same time as an upgrade, so naturally i construct the new building first. But i would think that going from a manufacturing center to and industrial sector should be faster than building an industrial sectior on an empyty tile.
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Any way to calculate the actual time to finish? If I've been relying on displayed time to finish, and it's usually longer than it really should be, then I'd like to save myself production and do things the way they need to be done. No point micromanaging if you're micromanaging to the improper numbers, right?
Reply #5 Top
Hi!
Any way to calculate the actual time to finish?

Open Plant/Ship list (opens on the left side of the screen), select a planet , click on the name of the social project it is building. A Quick-build window will open with a list of queued buildings. If you click on any of them you'll see the EXACT cost for producing or upgrading it. Now just compare that with social production on that planet and you have the answer.

BR, Iztok