well, my concern is plainly the spat between you and fire that's carried into several of the league's threads. for starters, mumble, you stole Fire's thunder; he's designated to gather, tabulate and announce the scores, "neilo's approval notwithstanding."

i don't disagree with the validity of most of your subsequent statements, but the necessity. you specifically focused on his age rather than his behavior, and that was uncalled for. and Fire, if you're overly concerned that i'm stepping in to defend you, that isn't the case - arguing back and forth requires two people, and beyond that mumble's "advice" (however poorly couched) is worth consideration, especially in light of the fact that you occupy a leadership position in the league (however small that may be in the grand scheme of things).

dammit guys, this isn't why i joined the league. frankly i could give half a rat's backside who wins a given round; i was more eager to hear the next round's settings than the outcome of this round anyway.

so chill the frack out. it's not fun for anyone when people bring this kind of social garbage into a game. it's why i don't play MMOs.

First let me say, that I'm alright storms passed, with no visible wind damage to my home or my neighbors (though...1) it IS night and 2)it prolly helps we have no trees around either)

As for everything else going on, I have said how I feel, and while I respect others wishing to voice their opinions also on the matter may I humbly suggest that you also be cognizant of what you are typing before you hit "post reply". Sometimes less IS more.

For one this is not the first round with such scoring issues and by "stealing Fire's thunder" I was doing my best to explain how scoring was supposed to occur.


The validity of my argument is the point, if anything I pointed out was incorrect I'd be happy to discuss it. As far as his age it's superfluous, the only reason that I mentioned it is to point out that I would generally bend over backwards to tolerate silliness in otherwise confusing situations except that it's obvious it has become the rule and not the exception.


In point of fact I personally don't care if I win or lose or whether my team wins or loses. However I do care if such winning or losing is done facetiously by ignoring rules that have been extensively discussed and agreed to.

All in all it's the continuing nature of these issues that is most bothersome. It seems that there's always one thing or another that's being misinterpreted and has to be re-stated, re-argued and re-discussed. I’m sure we have at least 50 posts in one thread or another that discussed how the 5th and 6th player would be treated this round. At this point I’m simply too tired of the whole issue to go back and provide the links and quotes. That’s basically the gist of my issue, I’m tired of being forced to point out all the things that have already been decided to ensure that the things that have been discussed get implemented as originally decided.

If people feel that I’m in the wrong let me know because I really don’t need the aggravation, I certainly have better things to do than to scan through a half dozen threads and literally hundreds of posts to point out how things were done differently than previously agreed to.

Personally I think everyones doing an exxxcceellent job. And I find it hard to believe that any feelings were meant to be hurt. I don't think that was anyones intention.

Now, round 4 Neilo. outta be great.

I think no matter what rules and scoring system we have we will often have some problems at various times. Obviously this can be something we can address and i hope that my nomination of Mumble as a score keeper along with myself and Fire may go toward resolving this. (see round 3 thread)

What i do not want to see, and this is what i feel is far more important than the actual scores, is to have players leaving due to arguements. I really hope we go into round 4 with everyone on board and that no-one feels the need to discontinue playing.

Far be it from me to tell anyone here what to do, but other than debating rules and the future of the league, any debate here will only harm the league.

I echo silvers thoughts of moving on and continuing the fun of the league.

Now on to an issue of round 4 that i would like input on. We know we need to move the players around to form team E, but who gets included for that reshuffle.

Should i just input everyone into the random generator and do it that way?

Or,

Make up the team with the the 6th players first and then the fifth?

I like the first idea, might shake up the teams a little.

Glad that you are ok silver...that would be one scary fraking thing to live through...(yes i loved the use of fraking earlier...what a great word...)

The Commish.

Yeah, it was kinda scary but...seeing how I had grown up in an area where sirens going off meant the nuclear plant had had a malfunction, I'd take a tornado over radiation any day

As for Round 4, I posted some thoughts in the Tyranny forum (what's that you say, the Tyranny has its own forums? YES, cuz EVIL IS SUPREME...:end shameless plug:) but what about using a Draft system? My suggestion works as follows:

Team Captains remain AS IS (I believe this retains flow and also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Captains are the ones that set things over at the Core) except for the new team that will be formed (captain as yet unnamed by Neilo...though...I'm itching for a spot )

Based on past scoring, teams will be given a respective position in the first round of draft picks, thus Team C would have the first pick, and so on, through the fifth team, where it would begin all over until all players are assigned.

HOWEVER, since one team has to go with only 4 players instead of 5 (since there are only 24 players), I would suggest that the team with the FIRST draft pick be also the one that must play with only 4 members (since, theoretically, they should have the highest sought after player selected in the first draft)

There may be some kinks in this, but I think its a pretty fair way to go, respects past scoring, and should adequately mix things up for the enjoyment of all.

This may be a good way to go... BUT what if yoour picked last   That would almost hurt my feelings.

well...not if I get to captain Team E

I would leave the choice of captain up to the members of Team E.

As for this idea, i for one like it. I'd be happy to go with this, but of course i will stand by the majority of players.

That being said i am still a fan of random selection too.

and Jeff, don't worry; even if I was picked last, I wouldn't worry; I'm a bit of a diamond in the rough. I played *this* round for speed (and if anyone cares to notice, I DID win the speed category :cough:), some people think MV scores tell everything, well, sure...if I had been playing lots of MV games prior to the League, maybe so but don't let my apparent lack of MV games make anyone underestimate me, or you WILL be sorely mistaken

That does not help me. I have feelings, nothing more than feelings.  

Choosing up sides like in sandlot softball. I love it.

Also Neilo could simply randomly or quasi randomly assign teams as well. I really don't have a major preference to how it's done.

Choosing up sides might do a better job of generating more even teams and there is a certain benefit in that.

One point is that there really is not that much importance associated with being a captain or not. It doesn't particularly make that much difference over at the Core and other than rounds with different victory conditions it hardly matters. Even with different victory condition rounds being captain exerts minimal power. If a fancy title makes you think that you're more important or that it gives your opinion more weight then by all means consider yourself a captain or an admiral for all that matters.


One point to make about PlayJeff is that people assume that the brashness is all talk and no content. For people that think this I want to point out in the last round PlayJeff submitted a total of 14 (or was it 15) different games that satisfied this rounds criteria. If we choose up sides and I was doing the choosing, PlayJeff would be one of the first players that I would take.

LOL, of course I love fancy titles, heck, why else did I even bother with the Medals thread I made? haha (actually, it was a BIT more altruistic, i really hated searching 20 threads for simple answers)

All in all, I just want to have fun, and I can't wait til the next round's setup comes out. Be that as a captain, team member, or even the last person picked

And while I second Mumble's praise of PlayJeff (who also is a member of the Tyranny with me, and great fun in there, but we also both like a good beer, watching stargate, and making fun of Quebec soooo) let me be the first to say that I would enjoy playing alongside any single one of you, and that a *true* winning team, isn't necessarily the one with the highest score but the one that enjoys it all the most

EDIT: y'know the funny thing is, in RL, I am NO where near this cheesy or "nice" when I talk, sometimes I look back over my posts and go "what I wouldn't give to use a good solid swear word or just tell ppl to STFU." oh well

Ohpleasedon'tpickmelastpleaseohpleaseohplease

Sorry, bit of a highschool flashback there.

An alternative way to deterine the order of the picks would be to do something like some sports associations do, where team with the least points from the last round/season gets first pick. I think either way has pros & cons, and I'm happy with either, but I thought I'd put the idea out there.

As for draft vs random assignment, I'd prefer a draft of some sort, so that teams will theoretically be somewhat balanced.

Sentient species taste better...

yeah, we could go that way (ie like the NFL draft which is in reverse order as Kzinti suggested). As we don't have any kind of club overhead to actually be placing the draft picks, this is why I had suggested the team captains must remain as they are, because *someone* has to do the choosing for their team. The only exception to this is the new team, so-called Team E, that does not currently exist.

This is why someone has to be on Team E for its spot in the round. I know I had suggested myself as a captain, and while it be nice, it was made in a jesting manner. However, I would be willing to be *placed* onto Team E (and then we would vote among ourselves for our captain later, I mean, if I had Motti or Neilo or something on my team I'd prolly vote for one of them for El Capitan ) just so that the Team would have 'representation' during the draft.

This is all assuming we even take this route.

LOL...good times....

I think we are getting a consensus here with the draft..what i would like to do is to have every team get two draft picks. These are made in the reverse order suggested, but based on the ladder (which i will update in a minute) not just last round.

Beyond the two draft picks i will randomly place the rest of the teams.

Two points though.
1. The current captains would be discluded from the draft..someone has to do the picking.
2. I will have to choose Team E's first player and captain, and of course having no points, they would go first. I can do this randomally or just pick Silver as he has shown interest.

Let me know guys.....

Seems like a good plan.

For my 2 cents I'd go with Silver for team E captain.

I am a go with your decision on the two rounds of draft.

As for the individual to be captain of Team E, since i was named as the preeminent candidate, I recuse myself from that part of the vote and will respect the decision of the MVL members and the Commissioner.

I'll go with the suggested draft and Silver's nomination.

I had told my team that I was going to step down as captain after this round, but hadn't made it public. The decision was based on the fact that I don't have a preference for or against myself being captain, and thought it may benefit the team more to have someone more eager for the role. With the possible institution of a draft and not wanting to add any undo complication to that process though, I'll remain captain of The A Team. If at a later time after teams are reestablished someone from the team wishes the captaincy I'll oblige.

Just to confirm guys are these the correct team captains,

A = DA
B = Marshall
C = ???
D = ShadowWorrior

I know Darth was the Captain of C, is it Mumble now? Let me know please.

Also i have updated the league ladder in the OP of the results thread. It will in reverse of this order that the draft will take place.

The Commish.

FireBender was fulfilling Darth's role during his absence

since rules seem based on precident, i thought i'd mention that this will work this time, but not in the future. if in the future a team F needs to be added and we go the route of a draft in reverse order, team E would have an advantage in this respect (since they'll have 3 rounds of zero scores).

not knowing the full history of the league, i'd suggest the easiest and longest-term solution to this, and any other complications that could arise from having new teams added where team scores were of concern, would be to add a second column to the leage ladder for "adjusted standing" (at the end of round 4). in other words, you divide the total team points by the number of rounds the team has existed. so if in a round or two in the future we have a team F, the draft process won't favor team E as a result of 3 rounds of zero scoring.

just thinking ahead.

also, i wanted to extend an apology to both Mumble and Fire. while spats aren't great, it was no business of mine to say anything. i've been under a lot of stress at work the last few weeks (just had my annual performance eval today, actually), and while i don't imagine this as an excuse, i'm offering it as a mitigating explanation.

PS: Fire, i think we'll see Iroh break out of prison in episode 5.

I have thought about this and my solution, though i ahve not said it yet, was to reset the scores and points for round 4.

Only seems fair in the long run, there would be no way team e could compete with a 3 round disadvantage.