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Nazi Earth

Nazi Earth

I was thinking about a mod where the Nazi's won WW2 and dominated Earth..and hence with its idiology branched out beyond Earth. The mod would need a futuristic Nazi flag and a futuristic Leader. Of course... it may not necessarily be evil..maybe neutral at best...
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Reply #26 Top
I second Terraners criticism.

Also, keep in mind that this mod probably will face difficulties being approved in the library: In several countries (Germany as the prime example), display of the Swastika is illegal. With offsite mods, no problem, but with the library, Stardock might want to stay on the safe side.


Well I'm for the idea since I dispise political correctness in any form. I hated the Nazis too but they are the perfect bad guys. And don't forget that Communist Russa under Stalin made Hitler and the Nazis look like angels in comparison.

Oh and one more thing, the Nazis were big into 'Political Correctness'

Reply #27 Top
I predict the iEmpire will do well - until the final confrontation:




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Reply #29 Top
Jamius, is this a joke? Are you actively trolling, or do you seriously believe that something glorifying thugs, psychopaths, and mass murderers is acceptable? I don't mean this post as a personal attack, just please think through the ramifications of what you are proposing and the perceptions you create by doing so.



'ramifications?' it's a game people lighten up. All the poster is doing is creating a mod where the Nazis win the war and rule the earth and are now moving out to space. I see no difference in this idea than I do about a mod where Rome never fell or about having evil races in the game. He is not making a political statment IT'S A GAME IDEA.


Reply #30 Top
People don't seem so sqeemish when it comes to Communist imagery though do they?

What of those who play WW2 shooters online, and play as the Nazi's?
While one should not forget what they did, by taking this 'sensitive' attitude, I think you just give the symbols of that regime power over peoples pshyce.

And to be perfectly fair, there is a star of David included for people to use, might this not cause offense to those of the Islamic faith who associate it with Zionism, and their belief that the "zionists" are commiting forms of genocide?
Is there an Islamic associated flag with the game or some of the mods?

My national and racial sensibilities may find the Saint georges cross and Union Jack rascist and symbols of oppression and mass murder.

I say make the mod, put it on the library, if Stardock won't allow it, see if you can put it up elsewhere. Those who want to play as such a "race" can do so, just as those who hate them, can play a game where they can destroy them.

Those people who use their positions to ban such images and attack those who do ask this kind of stuff are in my view being totalitarian themselves. Each to their own, personal freedoms and all that stuff.



Bravo!!! I totally agree 150%
Reply #31 Top
Taking offense at Nazies used for entertainment is both silly and too politically correct.


In your opinion.

In my opinion having a mod where you play as a all conquering nazi race that has enslaved humanity is glorifying them.



You make me laugh. How is it any different than playing any other evil race in the game? Your taking this way too serious. Having Nazis in the game is no different than having Dengin (sp?) in the game. Or are you offended by them being 'glorified' as well?
Reply #32 Top
the iEmpire

LOL!

I think userfriendly iWeapons like the iCore Detonation pose a serious threat to McDonalds-CocaCola's High Calory Weapons like Huge-Soldiers and the McDoom ray. It will also be interesting to see if Microsoft's Microsoft Flight Simulator trained pilots can counter this new threat..


Reply #33 Top
IT'S A GAME IDEA.


A shitty game idea. I've said as much as I care to about it. If you like it that much, take the day trip out to Auschwitz next time you're in Poland, you would probably enjoy the view from the tower above the railyard. Or Belsen if you want something tamer and in Germany. Or don't bother to learn about history and the world around yourself, because after all, unkenntnis macht frei.
Reply #34 Top
The iEmpire would have a hard time completing their conquest, though, due to the sudden crashes of all hardware and hours spent with customer service reps or exchanging and repair of assets. The entire economy would tank due to the fact that 5 star admirals and the uber-techno geeks would be battling it out to see who could get in line first to buy the latest large hulled starship (with email capacity). Afterwards, the military would get wiped out in no time flat because they were too busy showing their friend how cool the latest iEmpire iGun is, and they dont want to shoot it because it might get scratched. Not only that, but 3 days later, when the entire annual budget was spent upgrading the military, it would be obselete when a newer, smaller, deadlier version was released in time for iChristmas.
Reply #35 Top
Sir, we've done it! It's the ship that will conquer the galaxy - the iDreadnaught! It has...

Well, no sir, technically it's not as fast as the WinBattlecruiser. But you have to see it, it just looks so fast... and so cool...

Actually, no, we decided to scrap our old computer system and use this other system designed on open-source software. But it's all totally safe and under control, at least the parts that we understand...

No, sir, the iDreadnaught doesn't even do damage control. That's the best part. If something gets broken or outdated, we'll just replace the whole ship with a brand new one! No fuss, no muss, no reason to ever open the panels...

No sir, we've currently got one engine module, two weapon modules, and one type of armor for it. I know the WinCruiser can come with hundreds of different modules and upgrades, but we have all of the important ones. Who needs all of those choices and extra functionality? One shop, one ship, that's what we say... Hello? Sir? Are you still there?
Reply #36 Top
I see all kinds of issues for the Microsoft Fleet Commanders though...

Imagine having to completely shut down all fleet operations and restart your engines right before the iships attack because you have all the time been downloading critical software updates.

The restart sequences after a couple of days play would be so long that the fleet would be destroyed well before it had a chance to 'reboot'

it's not like they get a choice either...

"Wincruiser 1365 ... critical update 3005 of 3005 complete...

Weapons operative
Engines on-line
Scanners functional...

"FIRE !"

............... nothing happens........

You must restart your Wincruiser for these changes to take effect.
Restart now ?




Reply #37 Top
Newsflash! iEmpire is getting severe backlash from citizens today after the latest technological wonder hit stores. One source is quoted as saying:

"Its like millions of people suddenly woke up and realized that iEmpire is selling inferior, second-rate products dolled up to look really fancy, but really aren't worth the price you pay for it. Its as though they just want my money...I feel so used and dirty."

In other realted news, Rear Admiral Steve Jobs VII is still MIA from the front battlelines with the Drengin. Unverified reports state he has been seen outside the galactic Best Buy in his lawnchair waiting in line since last Tuesday in hopes of purchasing the new iGun to sell on eBay.

This makes me want to write a full satirical AAR about the fictional iEmpire. Would anyone be interested in reading that?
Reply #38 Top
they were too busy showing their friend how cool the latest iEmpire iGun is

iEmpire technology surely looks the coolest. However production of the new 40Gblast Mini iGun was cancelled after customers consistently confused the iPortrait Snapshot function with the iPlasmaBlast function.
Reply #39 Top
You must restart your Wincruiser for these changes to take effect.

LOL! These posts are hilarious!

- Captain, we've taken heavy damage, the engines are destroyed!

- Dammit, we almost done for, ok, re-rout all energy to the winWeapons and
fire for effect!

*winWeapon has encountered a problem and needs to close, we're sorry for the inconvenience. Would you like to send an error report?*

At this moment a powerful energy ray slices through the entire ship..

*winCruiser 5011 has encountered a problem and needs to be evacuated, we're sorry for
the inconvience. Would you like to send a last message to your loved ones?*


Reply #40 Top
Jamius, is this a joke? Are you actively trolling, or do you seriously believe that something glorifying thugs, psychopaths, and mass murderers is acceptable? I don't mean this post as a personal attack, just please think through the ramifications of what you are proposing and the perceptions you create by doing so.


You think talking about the Nazis is horrible and wrong??? hahahahahahaha. Nazis are fu@#$$#@ing care bears next to God the Lord Almighty who apparently will consign billions of us to live in Hell for all eternity. I don't think Hitler had the energy to ensure we suffer for all eternity.
Reply #41 Top
I would rather watch my entire family gassed to death in slow motion in a Nazi theater than to be in Heaven assumming I made it, and forced to live forever with the knowledge that God has forsaken them to Hell for all eternity. Shoot, why not make a Nazi themed civiliazation? In the game Alpha Centari, you had the faction, the Lord's beleivers.
Reply #42 Top
Jamius, is this a joke? Are you actively trolling, or do you seriously believe that something glorifying thugs, psychopaths, and mass murderers is acceptable? I don't mean this post as a personal attack, just please think through the ramifications of what you are proposing and the perceptions you create by doing so.


How is this different from the Drengin? They are a race of murders, etc., etc. Shoot the whole premise of this game is making the galaxy safe for oppression!!
Reply #43 Top

You think talking about the Nazis is horrible and wrong???



No, modding them as a "not evil, neutral at best" playable empire, displaying symbolism that is legally banned in several European countries is.

(And with banned I don't mean an 18+ rating. They're illegal, period.)

How is this different from the Drengin?


The Nazi regime was real. Drengins aren't.

Reply #44 Top
Ok people, all politcal and ideological issues aside, try this . How about ,I think Terraner will like this, a NEO-Nazi race based on a Germany after the successful assassination of Hitler in WWII. Don't forget only a very, very small percent of the population of Germany was in the Nazi party. This new party would use some of the same reforms Hitler did (social, econmical, millitary, natiolalism), just not as blood thirsty. Yes it would be a millitary state, but it would be a millitary state free of Hitlers' fanaticisms. I'm not saying the OP is wrong, but maby he/she should have changed the idea just a little.
Reply #45 Top

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Resistance is Futile.
Reply #46 Top
(edited for clarity and typos)   

No, modding them as a "not evil, neutral at best" playable empire, displaying symbolism that is legally banned in several European countries is.

(And with banned I don't mean an 18+ rating. They're illegal, period.)


Who said anything about modding them as "not evil"? The whole point of modding them into the game is to create a "what if?" scenario that pits the player up against the ideals of the Nazi empire. If said empire had come out of WWII either victorious or at the least forced a draw. Many good alternative history writers have explored such scenarios in books and there is nothing wrong with that. None of these authors are pining for a "Reich" that could have been, just simply plotting out what might have been if certain pivotal moments in history had gone the other way. Do a little historical research. You will be surprised at how many pivotal moments there were during WWII where Germany could have won at least a draw that would have allowed them to continue to exist to this day.

One such moment came when Hitler survived the bomb that von Stauffenberg planted for him at his headquarters in Rastenberg, If this coup (the July Plot) had succeeded, then not only would saner people have taken over the government of Germany, but the core beliefs of the german people would have been shaken. Germany would still have been an "evil empire" but without the insane Hitler running the show, a completely different outcome to WWII would have been achieved. This is just ONE of the possible divergences that could result in a Nazi Earth Empire.

As for the displaying nazi symbolism being "legally banned in several European countries", I find this deplorable. I can understand banning the overt display of Nazi symbols by neo-nazi movements to an extent, but I still think it is wrong. Trying to sweep the problem under the rug like that just forces the more disturbed elements of society underground where they will thrive as a counterculture. This makes them more appealing to the disenfranchised and given enough time creates a bigger problem. It's better (IMHO) to allow total free speech in the idea that letting the neo-nazis parade openly is a much better way of discrediting them. One can never stamp out evil & stupidity completely, but covering it up only allows it to build in strength. There is a reason behind the saying "those who choose to forget history are doomed to repeat it".

If you need an example of such, look at modern day Japan. The average student over there is taught a very one-sided view of WWII. No mention of japan's war crimes such as the Rape of Nanking or the Bataan Death March can be found in the curriculum and there are many revisionist books written in Japan that either claim these atrocities never happened or are blown out of proportion. Hell, even the movie "Pearl Harbor" was edited so much when it was released in Japan that the only combat scenes left were the ones taking place in Europe! There is a whole generation of Japanese that are being taught that the Allies just decided to beat the crap out of Japan for no good reason. I find this much more deplorable than someone wanting to create a mod about an evil human empire based on the nazis.
Reply #47 Top
Considering that some people can't seem to have a civil discussion here, I think this thread has outlived its usefulness.

For the record, glorifying Nazism is NOT cool (and as noted by some, illegal in some places where GalCiv2 is sold and supported), and making inflammatory comments about religions is not at all germane to the discussion. Those who were doing these things, consider this as a warning.

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