Wow, a lot has transpired since Tuesday. I must admit that I haven't even been able to read it all yet. I pretty much go along with Neilo's suggestions. For my two cents I’d add the following.

To me the potential fun in this is in a large extent in participating in the game playing part and in staying out of the league administration part of it. To that extent I think that anyone that participates owes the single commissioner (Neilo) some slack for his willingness to take all of this on by himself. If everything is not exactly to your immediate liking then certainly feel free to voice your opinion about how things could be improved but at the same time give Neilo some time to work out the kinks.

As commissioner, Neilo will simply set the rules that he sees as best based on the input we’ve all given him, but his decision is final. Also Neilo can play as a normal player without anyone being concerned about potential misuse of power. I personally would prefer if Neilo would set up the teams himself in what he sees as a balanced way. Also he would be free to reassign the teams if perhaps one team was shown to be running away with it. The goal of the commissioner is to support a fair and balanced league. To accomplish this he is free to change any of the rules at any time. He could also change them and then decide to change them back.

People need to be a little tolerant and patient. If you overall like the concept of this league but some particular aspect bothers you then let everyone know about it but don’t storm off saying you won’t play anymore. Everyone here is reasonable and I’m sure we’ll all do everything possible to accommodate any reasonable request, it just might not be instantaneous.

The only other point I’d like to make is about characters. My main character is pretty much dedicated to my current empire and to gigantic galaxy abundant all military wins. So I will not be using that character for these smaller type games. I personally have two free characters, one of which I will dedicate to this purpose. By that I mean every game this character plays will be a league game and only this character will be used for league play. For the record I will use Toshiro Mifune for league play.

I do see the potential conflict of using multiple characters. Someone could play the same game on different characters and then decide which one to use based on results. However it’s really not much different to play the same settings twice with the same character and then decide which game to submit. Whatever the commissioner decides is fine by me, but I see no real issue in allowing folks to submit a league game under one character and then submit the next league game under a different character. I would suggest that we not have to post a screenshot of the game but merely post the character, date of submission, game years and score. From this anyone could check anyone else’s posting in the official Meta and in the AltMeta. I don’t think it’s necessary for the commissioner to have to chase down each and every submission. In any case there will be a substantial amount of the settings that cannot be verified and will have to be taken on trust. Let’s just all try to be worthy of that trust.

I think we’ll need a dedicated thread for people to post their league submissions. I think we also need a thread for folks to bitch and complain in. Finally we need a thread to post the results of the current month and the next months selected game. This looks to me that we’ll need three threads dedicated to this league. I’d call the bitching and moaning thread the “Metaverse League Help Desk”, I’d call the thread that people submit games to the “Metaverse League Submitted Games” and I’d call the final thread the “Metaverse League Commissioners Office”. Neilo should create each of these threads and simply request that they all be made sticky in the OP.

The “Metaverse League Help Desk” should be a free for all thread dedicated to any and all questions and comments about the league. Anyone can post any questions or issues to this thread and have other league members (or non members) chime in with their opinion as well as receive the commissioners decision about the question/issue. The “Metaverse League Submitted Games” should only be used by league members to report the character, submission date, game years and score of league games. The “Metaverse League Commissioners Office” thread should be read by everyone but pretty much unwritten except by the commissioner. Anyone else posting to this thread should be (gently) directed to one of the other threads by the commissioner. This thread should start out by posting the current league rules and any rule changes should be posted here as well (remember any complaints about rules should be posted in the help desk *not* the Commissioner’s thread). Also current league members, their team assignment and team captain (if necessary) should be posted here. This thread should also be used by the commissioner to report the results of the current round of league play and to announce the next type of game to be played. I think that the next game should be announced pretty much simultaneously with the start of play (but of course that’s a commissioner decision). I think all of these threads should be created here in the Metaverse forum. If there are issues or problems with holding these threads here we could always move them to the Core but let’s at least start out by having them here.

Does this seem like a decent plan?

Agreed, Mumblefratz. Let's proceed.

Are there any DL-only people who object to others using Super Abilities? I can't see why they would, really. They're not really an advantage, per se, just a difference. Same goes for mega-events.

I believe I may be right in saying this, Thanks Neilo for the time and effort you have taken for this league to take effect. And also thanks to Ghostwes for the original idea. I will play DL for this league so as not to worry about any screwups.  

This is/was a small concern for me especially on a medium map if the random planet choice was abundant then all DA games will have an advantage straight off the bat. So i had thought i might set a level of planets that was constant that is not going to favor DA.

To all those with concerns over DA vs DL, no one version will be supported over the other, both games will be used for the league. As to the issue of super abilities being off, this was simply a way to level the playing field against DL players, no, i didn't like it myself, the thought of playing DA without them was enough to make me cry.

So....i guess this question is just for the DL players out there. Do you have a problem with the DA players leaving super ability's on? I don't think it is a huge score multiplier at all and really only affects the other AI in that particular game.

A few points and rule amendments, i will gloss over these quickly,

#1 One character for league playing only per account. I will check this diligently. Only games from your designated league character will be permitted.

Something i'd like clarification on please guys, Should that character be a new character or is it fine for someone to use an existing one provided they only use it in the league from now on? Again something i will check often.

#2 Defeat/resignation = minus 1 point.
No game submitted = minus 2 points.

#3 Team selection, either to be completely random or assigned by me. Please clarify this one too guys. If i am to assign players i would need to firstly only put 3 players in each team and then ask for you guys to put me into either team 1, 2, 3, 4 etc...That way i have not put myself into one of the teams. Seems the fair way to go.

#4 The league will be a continuously running event, after the first couple of rounds though, just work out the kinks.

An interesting point was made, by buterfly i think, that many people will play multiple games and submit the best one. I don't see any way to do much about this, except trust players will knowing this is for fun submit games even if they are defeats. I am actually looking forward to seeing some defeats out there and the banter that they would create. The only way to change this would be to shorten the game time from 1 month to ....whatever time...though i feel this is not popular. Thoughts?

Mumble i agree with your post and will create those threads indeed when we get a consensus here.

As for empire involvement i think the issue should be put to rest and i propose this.
The only empire involvement would only be if every character playing in the league was not already in an empire. Then we could create an empire called the "The Metaverse League" with the commish being emperor and team captains senators. All players would join this empire.

Anything except that should not be considered.

Not sure if i missed something, please reiterate any points that need addressing please.

Thanks for support and patience guys , again if there is a point that still needs working out please post about it and we can get a move on.

P.S. If you are reading MarshallONeil, could i impose upon you if you have the time to perhaps create a "The Metaverse League" banner similar to your HCH, Tyranny and Gerontocracy efforts. Advertisement will do us a world of good i believe...thanks mate.

I'd be happy to put something together. Something along the lines of the Olympic sport pictograms might be nice for a start, but I'm drawing a blank. If anyone has ideas for symbolism to embody the spirit of this enterprise, please post them here. How about a color scheme?

Also worth noting, Kryo did a fantastic job with the AltMeta banners; if you're reading, Kryo, please chime in and help us out!

As for DA specials, I was just asking because it sounded so scary. Kind of like: You can play in a league with the others but be aware that they all have super abilities (whatever that is). On the other hand, I'll just have to take you on with your super abilities - I'll manage (you learn that on TV - normal guys usually win against people with super abilities - especially good people like me against EVIL people like you).   Plus, I seem to be the only one who is using the old version.

Just don't make DA specials a MUST.

@neilo, see the tail end of my reply #76 about creating threads to support the league. They are only a suggestion but I think a reasonable set of threads that will help the league get business done and organized.

At this point I think enough people have given their opinions about pretty much everything. I think it's time for you to take your best stab at setting the rules and going from there. As I've mentioned you can always adjust things later if they seem to be unbalanced.

That looks great, Marshall!

stylish logo - wow!

Hi all. In the next 24 hrs 4 threads will be up on the forum regarding the league. I am taking everyones opinion and trying to come up with something we all like. If you don't like it, please don't just dismiss the league, it is a work in progress and we can make changes at any time to make every player as happy as we can.

It seems based on posts in this we might have enough of 4 teams of 4, over the next day or so i'd like some suggestions for team names or if you guys want to name the team your in yourself, that's also fine.

I'd also like, that if we can nominate someone to act as junior commissioner or something. Just someone who can take care of buisness in the event i happen to be awol for a couple of days. I don't intend to be, but i thought it might be prudent. It doesnt need be a MV Councilor, as long as they will be around i guess.

I will post back in here once the threads are up.