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anyone cared enough to share the truth of heaven and hell


The Holy Bible describes Heaven as a beautiful place where people live forever with no death, sorrow, sickness and pain. {Revelation 21:4}

Hell is described as a place of suffering forever for all those who are not saved. {Matthew 13:50}

The good news is that about 2000 years ago Jesus Christ(God the Son) paid for everyone's sins or wrong doing by dying on the cross and rising from the dead after three days. {Mark 10:34}

God the Son came as a sinless man. {Philippians 2:5-8}

Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto God(The Father), but by me." {John 14:6} He is our ONLY way to God(The Father) in Heaven.

The Holy Bible says, "That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God(The Father) raised Jesus Christ from the dead, you will be saved." {Romans 10:9}

You should not wait until later to get saved because you may die before you get another chance and you will miss Heaven.

If you want to be sure you will go to Heaven after this life is over just pray a meaningful prayer like the one below with your mouth and from your heart right now to God and you will be saved.

Dear God I want to be saved. Dear Jesus Christ Son of God I want to make you my personal Lord and Savior. Please forgive me of my sins or things I have done wrong in my life. Thanks Jesus Christ for taking my punishment for my sins by shedding your sinless blood on the cross and dying for my sins. Jesus Christ I now confess you as my Lord and believe in my heart that God(The Father) raised you from the dead. Amen.

If you just allowed God to save you then welcome to the family of God because you are now a Christian on your way to Heaven.

Please copy and send or email this message to your friends and family so they can have a chance to be saved.


Have a good day,
Ronald L. Grossi


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Reply #76 Top
Actually I didn't read the translated version, I read the Greek version. The New testament was written in Greek.

The fact is that Christ is a part of the Trinity. Saying He was Son of God, means that he is an aspect of the Holy Trinity. It doesn't mean the physical son, as in birth from a physical body, nor creation.

When He came to earth to save us He lived as a perfect man. So He was the perfect human and the perfect God in one. He sometimes used the Son of Man phrase to emphasise that.

We are not reciting things by rote here. We are saying what we believe and we are thinking for ourselves. Our opinions may be different, but each one thinks differently.

As to why we are here and what we are doing on earth, and what is God, welcome to the club. People have been trying to answer that since millenia before.

My personal take on this matter, (and yes, it is my thoughts and belief, not those "indoctrinated" by others) is that we should live our lives as Christ did, trying to be as perfect as we can, with the ultimate goal of joining God in Heaven, and retaining our individuality.
Reply #77 Top
I hesitated to answer right away .. glad I did. My first impulse was to rattle off more of my own thoughts. After reflection and careful reading of what you pointed out, I feel much more comfortable saying something like this.

Trying to understand love is not experiencing love. ErGo trying to understand God is not experiencing God. Of course there are similar, perhaps parasitic forces surrounding love, so be careful. What you share your energy with might grow strong enough to become the overweening force in a mix of various forces, if enough other creations also contribute their tiny bit to supporting it as well.

The overall question may not be how to manipulate to receive a reward, but what life one wants to experience during the short time available. If anyone has been so fortunate as to make contact with and feel the force of love, then their life is blessed. The converse is also true.

Thank you for your reply.


You have a fascinating insight!,,,, it looks like we think alike somewhat?

Also i notice no one else seems interested in our little topic of conversation   

Reply #78 Top

Actually I didn't read the translated version, I read the Greek version. The New testament was written in Greek.

The fact is that Christ is a part of the Trinity. Saying He was Son of God, means that he is an aspect of the Holy Trinity. It doesn't mean the physical son, as in birth from a physical body, nor creation.

When He came to earth to save us He lived as a perfect man. So He was the perfect human and the perfect God in one. He sometimes used the Son of Man phrase to emphasise that.

We are not reciting things by rote here. We are saying what we believe and we are thinking for ourselves. Our opinions may be different, but each one thinks differently.

As to why we are here and what we are doing on earth, and what is God, welcome to the club. People have been trying to answer that since millenia before.

My personal take on this matter, (and yes, it is my thoughts and belief, not those "indoctrinated" by others) is that we should live our lives as Christ did, trying to be as perfect as we can, with the ultimate goal of joining God in Heaven, and retaining our individuality.


Is god unity or triplicity? You say triplicity but I don't think that makes sense. Why the number three rather than say 400, what is so special about three? Why a Father, Son, and Holy Ghost why not a Father, Son, or Mother or even better instead of trying to make it all seem so human why not just a God and nothing else. Seems kind of polytheistic to me and at the very least the biggest religious paradox I can think of. There are a lot of Christians who don't believe the doctrine of trinity even! You say Jesus saying he was the son of god means that he is part of the Trinity but I don't ever recall anyone quoting him as saying he was part of a trinity. If you could find where he describes the trinity and his place in it for me that might help.

Also if you could define perfect man for me that would be good too. If it implies martyrdom I am not sure I agree but there are plenty of suicide bombers who do. If you truly lived your life like Jesus then you would be very poor, living off charity like a bhuddist monk and spending your days wandering the world talking about God until someone killed you for it. I am not saying this is a bad way to live either, I am just saying thats my understanding of Jesus' lifestyle.

Whatever language someone else decided to use to describe Jesus years after his death is not nearly as important to me as the fact that Jesus didn't write any book at all and I think if he had it would have been in hebrew since that is the traditional holy language. Maybe all the things attributed to Jesus in the bible really occured, that is really besides the point to me when you consider the interpretations of those events is entirely between the reader and the writer both of which are not Jesus.

Also what exactly did Jesus save anyone from? Sin? Hell? Those annoying animal sacrifices? I am really not clear on that at all since both of those things still exist in MOST(not all) Christian theologies. Also it seems to me that if the idea of repentance and atonement was along before Jesus then even "asking Jesus to come into your heart and forgive you of your sins" is not really such a new idea at all except for switching God with Jesus. It seems to rest entirely upon the concept that God is unreachable except by Christians and that smacks of too self serving to me.

I have spent a good portion of my life trying to understand why people believe the things they do and have researched more about religions than most people I know and still cannot explain these basic things to any satisfaction. I know there are plenty of more educated people than me and perhaps some of you folks can explain these things in some sort of logical way without resting on even more convoluted paradoxes.

Did Mary have a virgin birth and if so why? Why did Mary have to suffer childbirth when the baby could have easily fallen from the clouds. Why the martyrdom too? Why does a horrific death have to be included in this at all? It happens all the time and did then too, its not as if it was unknown ground to anyone.

Messiah and Christ are words that mean savior to a people esp. Jews and Anointed one such as a priestking of ancient Judaism, as much as I can see how these things allude to divine ordinance I don't see why the leap is made to Man-God. Another thing that puzzles me about the perfection of Jesus is the debate over whether he married or had children. Some seem to stand on the side of lifelong virginity as part of the ideal of perfect even though in Genesis we are told to go make babies.

If we are meant to believe by faith without proof why did Jesus even let it be known he had any sort of divine lineage? Why not just do the whole death and ressurection thing and not tell anyone? Many people don't believe it anyway and those who do surely cannot prove it so why make the conflict arise at all? Why not just heal some folks and go up in a cloud?

It makes my tiny human brain hurt thinking about all these irrationalities but in the off chance I missed something about all this Jesus stuff I still ask myself about it all the time. Just like I ask myself whether reincarnation makes sense or not.
Reply #79 Top

If free will is truly free then not even God knows which way an individual will choose.Otherwise it is predestination,which would allow
God to read the hand writing on the wall since to God there is no past,present or future.


If god is all knowing all powerful and beyond past,present, future (infinite like the whole Eternity of Eternities title) then such a paradox as predistination vs free will would only apply to our view looking up and not neccesarily the view looking down. Think about rats in a maze. Free will to them is moving a wall or piece of cheese to me. They only see the choice ahead I see the inevitable outcome and can do any number of things to change it, slow it down, or make it come quicker. If I really don't want the mouse to get the prize I can always keep it making choices till it has a heart attack. Oh one more thing, if free will is greater than God like you are saying than doesn't that make us (collective not individual) greater than God because we possess it?


But it isn't a paradox, either it is predestination or free will one or the other.Now if you want to go the reincarnation route you could say that based on past choices an individual would have a greater tendency to choose one or the other in a given situation.
You can't predict which direction an untrained rat will go given two choices.

And God not being able to predict what man will do with his free will does not mean that free will is greater than God.It is simply the nature of free will itself.God delights in a little mystery Himself.
Reply #80 Top
Like I said, No Offense to anybody. But if heaven does not have kinky, sluty women , booze, and lots to smoke, then it is not heaven. So you tell me is it heaven or hell I would like to go to?
Reply #81 Top
Ok, here's my take on it. There's this guy, called God, and he made us, who knows why? Doesn't matter. Anyways, God says "Hey guys! How's it going? Just wanted to introduce myself. By the way, I'm a good person, and if you're a good person, and you like other good people, you can come and party with me and my friends. It's free too!If not, then thats cool, I'm sure you'll find some place to be. Ok enjoy your life!" Then we, humans, get to live our lives, and in our lives we decide whether or not we want to party with God. There's no "condemnation" or "punishment", its just where you want to go when you die. Party with God, anyone?
Reply #82 Top

Like I said, No Offense to anybody. But if heaven does not have kinky, sluty women , booze, and lots to smoke, then it is not heaven. So you tell me is it heaven or hell I would like to go to?


Call me simple but I only need one kinky, slutty woman, whiskey will be fine you can have the other booze, and I'll take a toke from yours every now and then but if it's not around I will just play with the woman and the booze. BTW sounds like Earth to me.
Reply #83 Top
Also i notice no one else seems interested in our little topic of conversation
I try not to criti-size (at least not out loud) ... have you ever read any books on Buddhism? I found one I could understand (the context of my upbringing was a major obstacle) titled "An Open Heart", edited by Nicholas Vreeland. If you try searching 'An Open Heart' on Wikipedia, you will get info about the 14th Dalai Lama (Tibetan).

Anyway, the book is edited By Mr. Vreeland in such a way it wasn't so hard for me to overcome my cultural obstacles and understand a little of it. Read it if you get a chance.

Reply #84 Top
Like I said, No Offense to anybody. But if heaven does not have kinky, sluty women , booze, and lots to smoke, then it is not heaven. So you tell me is it heaven or hell I would like to go to?


Heaven by definition is perfect, so if you go to heaven and find you miss somthing, then heaven isn't perfect is it? and if heaven isn't perfect then it isn't heaven is it?
Reply #85 Top
have you ever read any books on Buddhism?


No.

It is easy to understand that such beutiful faith as Buddhism is at the very least, indirectly inspired by God. I can say that as a Christian myself because i know that humans are created in the image of God and therefore are capable of creating spiritual beauty even in ignorance of God,,, if that were the case.
Reply #86 Top
have you ever read any books on Buddhism?


No.

It is easy to understand that such beutiful faith as Buddhism is at the very least, indirectly inspired by God. I can say that as a Christian myself because i know that humans are created in the image of God and therefore are capable of creating spiritual beauty even in ignorance of God,,, if that were the case.


Suddenly a loud, ringing voice speaks - That was a test. How dare you try to tell me what I am? How dare you judge my works! How dare you denigrate even the least of my projects? Just for that, I'm gonna send you to Heaven!

St. Peter will now be the one to check out your rap sheet, instead of the Dalai Lama. I hear he's a real "stick-ler." Hah Hah Hah

  
Reply #87 Top
Suddenly a loud, ringing voice speaks - That was a test. How dare you try to tell me what I am? How dare you judge my works! How dare you denigrate even the least of my projects? Just for that, I'm gonna send you to Heaven!

St. Peter will now be the one to check out your rap sheet, instead of the Dalai Lama. I hear he's a real "stick-ler." Hah Hah Hah



Oooops for a second i thought i said somthing to offend! lol,,, although i am still not quite sure i understand your post?
Reply #88 Top

Like I said, No Offense to anybody. But if heaven does not have kinky, sluty women , booze, and lots to smoke, then it is not heaven. So you tell me is it heaven or hell I would like to go to?


Call me simple but I only need one kinky, slutty woman, whiskey will be fine you can have the other booze, and I'll take a toke from yours every now and then but if it's not around I will just play with the woman and the booze. BTW sounds like Earth to me.


O COME ON EARTHFAZE You only want one woman, and for booze, well as long as it is Canadian rye(CROWN ROYAL) that I could live with. And as for toking, I am Canadian, are you stereotypying me?  
Reply #89 Top
One woman is more than enough for me and Crown Royal will do nicely, as far as the stereotype goes if the shoe fits...
Reply #90 Top
Suddenly a loud, ringing voice speaks - That was a test. How dare you try to tell me what I am? How dare you judge my works! How dare you denigrate even the least of my projects? Just for that, I'm gonna send you to Heaven!

St. Peter will now be the one to check out your rap sheet, instead of the Dalai Lama. I hear he's a real "stick-ler." Hah Hah Hah



Oooops for a second i thought i said somthing to offend! lol,,, although i am still not quite sure i understand your post?


What? You a Christian, and you have an issue with St. Peter? I wanna be a fly on the wall for that meeting!

Nah, no problems here. Just tossing in a little gallows humor. 'Course you didn't know but I was in the military for a looooong time. It gets really boring sometimes (30 days of waiting, 30 seconds of sheer terror) and half the fun was jerking yur buddy's leg, you know what I mean. Shaving foam on the hand and tickle their nose while they are asleep, stuff like that.    
Reply #91 Top
half the fun was jerking yur buddy's leg, you know what I mean.


Ahem, well you don't wan't to know my first impression of that line!!!   

Reply #92 Top



You say triplicity but I don't think that makes sense. Why the number three rather than say 400, what is so special about three?


Because three was important number in many religions/cults/superstitions before Christianity. Some things just keep carrying along.
Reply #93 Top
Because three was important number in many religions/cults/superstitions before Christianity. Some things just keep carrying along.


A number is nothing but a discription of a quantity, created by the quantity, but your saying the quantity is created by the number?
Reply #94 Top
One woman is more than enough for me and Crown Royal will do nicely, as far as the stereotype goes if the shoe fits...


OHHHH thats funny.  
Reply #95 Top
half the fun was jerking yur buddy's leg, you know what I mean.


Ahem, well you don't wan't to know my first impression of that line!!!   



I know I dont want to know  
Reply #96 Top
I know I dont want to know


hahahaha,,, lol

What ElWhopO said is already funny enough,,, even funnier if he really didn't see the not so well hidden connotation one can derive from his remark!
Reply #97 Top
I know I dont want to know


hahahaha,,, lol

What ElWhopO said is already funny enough,,, even funnier if he really didn't see the not so well hidden connotation one can derive from his remark!


You and St. Peter are gonna have a LOT to discuss... hmmm ... It might be better if you just don't say anything a'tall ...
Reply #99 Top
Hello All,

First off there are thousands of pieces of ancient manuscripts for the New Testament. (over 5000) And they can track where variations from an overzealous scribe made a "mistake". Most of the mistakes are gramatical.

Most modern translations are from the original languages. The NASB or ESV are considered the most literal word for word bibles.

I applaud the effort, but the problem christians face when witnessing to non-belivers is the culture of "me first". It is hard to overcome. Jesus said there was two principles or commandments. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul, and love one another. You can't do either with me first mentality.

Another problem christians have always faced is false doctrine. Todays version are the Word Faith practioners like the Crouch's on TBN, Benny Hinn, Crofelo Dollar, T.D. Jakes and many other who treat God as the great Genie who needs directed.

Another problem is inproper exegesis of Revelation by Zionists and Dispansationalists who would love to start war and preach faulty prophesy. (and unnecissarily scare people to death with neverending revisions of their isogetic prophesies.)

Yes, I'm a christian, but I also see a mound that needs to be overcome. Continue to sow the seed, because often it many to overcome hard soil. Others might reap the harvest, but that isn't as important.....
Reply #100 Top
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I find that it takes one on one witnessing and showing people what God has done for you works best...

The Culture... Colorado High school recently had very liberal speakers telling kids it was okay to have sex and do illegal drugs "responsibly"? Why, because they will do it anyway?

It has been mentioned that their is alot of illiteracy when it comes to belivers and the bible... very true.

It is estimated that an average preacher has roughly 24 hrs in an entire year to make a difference. Maybe half of all church goers even go to Sunday school. Most children will hear the same bible stories over and over again, but when they get to junior high age, they start needing theological questions answered but won't ask and the teachers are too busy just giving them status quo lessons.

So, no wonder why liberal preachers and evangelists are leading many astray, because their own members of the congregation don't no better.

No wonder there is so many cynics against Christianity and other religions.

Lee Strbel has a good series of books for athiests and christians alike (p.s. Jews and christians were both considered atheists by Rome.)

Look, whether we like it or not, this life is a test. We either trust God or reject him. If we accept him as Lord and sovereign, then we will be accepted. If we don't accept him, then He won't accept us. What is heaven like? I don't know. What is hell like? I don't know eccept it isn't meant for us but for Satan and the other fallen angels.

A well-known atheist has recently become a creationist (an intelligent design) but has not come to believe that the Judeo-Christian God is responsible yet, because of the ramifications. He would prefer to fade away after this life than sitting on a cloud singing (he hates to sing, but is okay for his father-in-law.)

to be continued...