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Tech Trading AI cheating?

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Tech Trading AI cheating?

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I just started a new 1.6 Bet 4 beta game and something massive has been changed in the diplomatic trading screen. All the trades are now massively one sided for the AI. I am playing on tough where it is supposed to be a level playing field. In cases where I know I have a 10% diplomatic advantage I am getting a 20:1 ratio for cash for tech trades. (i.e. I pay 2000 for a tech and I am only offered 100 for that same tech by any other civ.) The Tech for tech ratio is 4-5:1. Now as I go over the tech levels and treasuries of the AI players from turn to turn I am seeing no evidence that the AI are using these ratios amoung themselves. (i.e. A race all the sudden acquires 3 new techs in one turn without bankrupting their treasury and without anyone else gaining a large number of techs, and no one is at war currently.) I have the highest research levels in the game of anyone I have seen so far, and all of the sudden everyone else has a large number of higher level techs than I have and is not willing to trade to me without a massive imbalance. There is no way that this could happen unless they are giving each other even trades, but massively penalizing the human player. This is leading to all the AI players effectively pooling their research against the human player. (i.e. the nore opponents and minors you have the bigger the tech disadvantage you have.)
I'm sorry, but unless this is a mistake, this is outright AI cheating. The AI has always initated trades with each other instead of the player at about a 50:1 ratio anyway. There is already a option to turn off technology trading. This is just excessive.

Scincerely,
Scintor
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Reply #26 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Actually, I'm Canadian. Colour forever!
Reply #27 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Actually, I'm Canadian. Colour forever!


hehehe you guys suffer spelling to insult the alphabet there too eh?
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Reply #28 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Nope, just thumbing our noses at our southern neighbours!

*prods all Americans in a 5 foot radius*
Reply #29 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Nope, just thumbing our noses at our southern neighbours!

*prods all Americans in a 5 foot radius*


Now that could be considered just grounds for a 'pre-emptive' strike...
Reply #30 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Now that could be considered just grounds for a 'pre-emptive' strike...


Hahaha, well perhaps you guys in America can succeed where the British failed and remove the French colonies to the north! lol
Reply #31 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Careful guys, the thread-jacking police is watching (grin) Officer Pavlov K9 is around, and taking notes. This is improper behavior for a forum. Heheh.

Anyways, the AI has always been the strong selling point for this game. If it is not playing by the same rules as the human player, wether you call it cheating or not (remember that an AI doesn't have any intention, the programmer does), you can't really say it plays fair. I guess it's a matter of perception. Players think/thought that the AI is good AND plays fair. Finding out that it's not exactly correct may come as a shock. It's a complicated matter, and a delicate balance.

Reply #32 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Anyways, the AI has always been the strong selling point for this game. If it is not playing by the same rules as the human player, wether you call it cheating or not (remember that an AI doesn't have any intention, the programmer does), you can't really say it plays fair.

I agree. The AI shouldn't differentiate between human and AI opponents at least up to tough difficulty, the so-called fair playing field. If it does, I'd call it an AI cheat because it would come near to an alliance between the AIs against the player.
Reply #33 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Nope, just thumbing our noses at our southern neighbours!

*prods all Americans in a 5 foot radius*


Now that could be considered just grounds for a 'pre-emptive' strike...


(to continue the tangent)

Bring it on! Last time we fought, we came down there and burned down the White House in a drunken rage!

Don't make us lob polar bears over the border with catapults. We'll follow up with a volley of beavers, I swear!

(all in good fun, of course)

Reply #34 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Don't make us lob polar bears over the border with catapults. We'll follow up with a volley of beavers, I swear!

(all in good fun, of course)


LMAO,

Well, then America could return fire with a small volley of lawyers, say, 1% of all the lawyers in America... then Canada would be smothered and lost forever under the sheer volume!
Reply #35 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Pff. We're the second largest nation on the planet. We have sufficient room to just toss 'em in a hole and bury them. Also, Grizzly Bears.

...do I sense an international initiative in the making?
Reply #36 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
...do I sense an international initiative in the making?


hehehe, lets bombard each other with lawyers??

you've been served!