"Hey, look everybody! My bro was just rewarded for his work in the Mafia."

Micro$haft... the lords of DRM (Defective Rights Management) technology... if you own anything from Microsoft, just shove bamboo shards under your toenails for penance. Let the shards burn to cinders and you shall be redeemed.

Oops, double post.

I think this game is really fun. When you and 3 buddies are working together to blast away enemies and you're using your power-ups to save your friends, you get really into it. It's all about teamwork. This is the best multiplayer game on live arcade! (single player goes to Castlevania and Geometry Wars lol)

That's "intarwebz", fraktard. Get it right.

As for Sony versus Microsoft... they can both burn in hell. Consoles lock out independent developers and concentrate power in corporations.

I agree. The 360 has better graphics, nearly as good of computing power, and it costs less. It also comes with more stuff. The PS3 is crap, all it focuses on is speed and computing power. The graphics look just a bit better than the PS2. Also, I don't know why WheelofFire calls other people "fraktards"    

Etrius

"Until I found that Microsoft have restricted downloads of this game to North America only.

This is complete and utter bullcrap. There is more to the world than just 50 states and Canada!"

When things are made here in the US, or canada, they tend to be made for US!

Now on the Sony Vs. Microsoft topic. Playstation is the RPG console, and Xbox is for the mindless, FPS games. Hence, why I like Sony better.

Ladies and Gentleman.....the most naive person in the world.....Geminisama!!!!

Open your closed mind and you might realize that while the 360 maybe made in the USA that does not mean that it is the only place it sells. In fact Microsoft have made more money selling units outside the US than in. So to say "made in the US for the US" is just a very narrow minded way of thinking....

Why do i care? I don't, i just don't want others to believe you.

Besides, Sony this and 360 that.....we all know that the greatest console is the.....

Coleco Vision!!!!!

Really? So the thousands of cars that Ford and G.M. make in right hand drive in the US. is for domestic use?

Wow you must have so many right hand drive cars clogging up the interstate, because they couldn't possibly be made for export could they? No. If it's made in the US it must be for the US.

And would you look at that, my Xbox 360 is P.A.L. not NTSC......there must have been a mistake on the production line, because i couldn't possible have an item made in America, but designed for international markets!!!!

My (obviously not made in America because i have one in Australia) sarcasm detector just broke I'd feel better if i could only have a can of Coke, but alas, it's only for the American market because that is where it is from....oh dear me

Not childish, sarcastic and funny i thought.

Yes, i'll grant you i did miss the usually in your post so in that regard for those instances you are correct.

But as for being childish, well fine, but no more than you are being arrogant,



C'mon, do you really see yourself (as a whole) as so high and mighty.

I'll ask it like this,

Do you believe Brad and the Stardock made this game for the sole purpose and intent of distributing and supporting North America? I'd assume you don't. So then do they prioritize their support of the game to those in North America?

Or would it be that Stardock realize that the US. is just part of the community and by tending to that flock first and foremost that it would have a negative effect on the overseas market. So they of course treat one customer the same as another regardless of location.

Which brings me back to the original line,

"When things are made here in the US, or canada, they tend to be made for US!"

Gone are the days when software companies made location specific titles, (i can recall some back in the old Amiga days, some games were simply not supported outside of Europe) companies now will look at how this game/software, anything, will sell globally.

Yes there are niche markets, and there are companies that are happy doing their business, no matter what it is, happily within their own borders. But imho these form the minority and not the world at large. Hence why i said it was naive to think as you do.

If people like Brad and Stardock or any software/game developers thought as you do, that the US. market is the place we should sell our product since we live there, then i would suggest they would not be very successful at their chosen endeavour, or they would have a great product and hardly no-one would know about it..

Which is why i said "Why do i care? I don't, i just don't want others to believe you."

I don't care because i don't think as you do. And i don't want others to believe you because if they were to, great titles like Galciv2 may cease to be available overseas.

Yes that's a big "if" there, as i am not so naive to think someone on here would read a comment and based on that never do business outside America. But hey, stranger things have happened.

I will accept that



Now, that subject will just help prove my point. No, they did not intend their game to be US exclusive. And while DL has been released in different langauges, DA hasnt. While they plan on exporting the expansion, we, N. America, were the FIRST intended market. My whole point was, that when most things are made here, we are the top priority, then they get around to exporting it.(Unless, the item is a 'specialty' product{like the cars you mentioned above}, then they just export it.) Now do you see what I mean? Or are you just gonna accuse me of being naive and ignorant again?

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's a flame war. Just a healthy debate?



Can't say i agree with this either. If the "original" intended market for DA was N.A. then why did i, in Australia, have it pre-ordered at the same time anyone else could have, and not just pre-ordered but in my hands no later than N.A.? I don't remember seeing a disclaimer/discussion, anything, at the time of D.A.'s release about US/Canada only.....

A game need not be in different languages to be supported and available outside the US. Nor is N.A. the only english speaking population in the world. So by not releasing D.A. in other languages does not prove that the market for the game is solely N.A.



I don't recall calling you ignorant, but if you can't or won't see my above point, then yes i will stand by my naive comment.


I will accept though, that, in light of an english only release, that Stardock were not anticipating a lot of overseas interest.

But, that i don't believe proves your point. DA is an expansion, not a stand alone release, so Stardock had already gauged the global appeal of the game through their sales of DL. It would stand to reason that Stardock would then prioritize DA's release to where DL was the most successful. But limiting it's release to english only still serves far more markets than N.A. and thus should not be considered, made in the U.S. for the U.S.

Thanks for this Brad. Stardock has always been so kind to me even after I moved on...I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. I'll continue to spread the good word about Gal Civ, and thanks again for the Aegis Wing mention.

-Scott Brodie