How does anyone live on $10/hour? I was making that much fresh out of high school with no degree fifteen years ago. If you've got a degree of any kind and the best you can pull in is $10/hour, you wasted a lot of time and money on a degree.

By being as 'thrifty' as possible. This is reality Kinjiru... consider yourself 'lucky' to be 'outside of the box'.

DEATH TO CAPITALISM! END WAGE SLAVERY!

also bear in mind that different areas have different costs of living. i couldn't imagine living on $10/hr in san diego, but it'd be a lot more possible if i, say, moved out to Riverside. of course, then i'd have a real alcohol problem to pay for (nothing to do out there but drink or pray). it's a vicious cycle.

i got $12/hour right out of college at a temp job. it took me a couple months and moving back into my mom's place before i found it. i worked there for a few months, then returned to job hunting.

edit: i'm just removing this post. for some reason it popped up in here, even though it was intended for another forum.

also, i posted this yesterday, but i didn't want to bump it. i thought some of the conversationalists in here might enjoy (or be repulsed by) the article i linked to.

How does $7.40900 an hour sound? That was my first job! and there was an apprentice i knew who was making $5.76185 an hour. Well that was 10 years ago but last year i applied for a job.... It was a job to drive a truck and unload airplanes at Sydney airport, and to do that you have to have a very good security record etc etc. So tell me how much you would think that kind of job would be worth? Apparantly only $10.7026 per hour!! so after the interview, i declined the job offer.

businesses are stupid in this country, they all complain they cannot get staff, but obviously if their going to offer stupid wages, well what do they expect?

Yes, death to capitalism, lets initiate what I like to call socially impossed reform anarchy.



How about $10 a day? thats how a lot of immigrants live here. And it is even worse in South Asia were kids that are less then 10 years old earn a few pennies an hour sewing together our clothes and our shoes.

For the sake of arguement let's say I agree with the original poster; Bush and his policies are killing people. Let's add up the total. Say 5,000 US soldiers killed in Iraq + Afghanistan. Estimates vary, but we'll give the benefit of the doubt and quote the higher number that some 750,000 Iraqi + Afghanistan civilians have died as a result of the war. Add another 245,000 civilians in Darfur due to inaction and negligence. Throw in another 500,000 deaths because his policies have effects after 2008 too. Add in another 500,000 because Bush is evil and to account for any other factors I may have forgot*.

By this skewed estimation Bush is pretty darn dangerous, having killed 1 million already and will kill another 1 million after his presidency ends. Over his 8 years in office that's 250,000 killed each year.


Since abortion was legalized in the US in 1973 about 35 million abortions have taken place. That's over 1 million babies killed each year. Interestingly, this is about the same number of US soldiers that have died in all wars put together; but I digress.
Now who's more dangerous, a 2008 presidential candidate that is pro choice, or one who is anti-abortion?

Something else to think about: this looming Social Security crisis, where there are less people paying in than cashing out... Would it be solved with another 35 million citizens, half over age 18, each citizen having 2 hands?

In summary, calling Bush the most dangerous man alive is just partisan ridiculousness that I'm sure has been going on since '76.


*I'm not counting deaths from global warming + Kyoto for many reasons, for one thing it increasingly appears that Bush made the right choice and his European counterparts are hating the choice they made.

Thats poverty all right.

What balances the poverty of developing countries with the poverty found in rich countries (to an extent)is the cost of living. In other words, you might earn 500% more on a poverty line wage in a rich country, but the cost of living is 500% more as well so your right back where you started before leaving your third world country!

kids earning pennies an hour. Just ask Kathy Lee Gifford. I think thats her name. and as for a college degree??? you want fries with that sir?

I would pick pro choice.

Why?

Because, the child will NOT have a good life, and will either be submitted to abuse or a childhood of orphanages and the neglect of parents.

Anyways,we are not women, so we do not have the attachment and the stregnth that bearing and taking care of a child takes. So we should not dictate their choice on whether or not they should have a child.



Yes, however living there does cost more then a few pennies, the kids barely have enough to eat.

hahahaha good one!!



I think you will find examples of that in America as well.

True, but at least here we have welfare programs.

It isnt as bad here, we went through our phase in the early 1900s, thank god for Teddy Roosevelt.

I'm not familiar with what Rosevelt did? Was he the president that started public works to help end the great depression?

i doubt i'll change your opinion, but i thought i'd bring up Carl Sagan's point of view on this issue. we measure the moment of death in humans by the cessation of brain waves. so why not measure the moment of life by their beginning? by that reasoning, only third-trimester abortions (very rare) constitue 'killing a baby.'



no, that was his grandson (?) FDR. Teddy set up the precident for labor laws (minimum wage, workplace safety, restrictions on child labor).

Yes, yes and yes. He also did alot of trust busting and foreing relation policies.

World Police anyoen?

Everyone thinks FDR is TR grandson.

They were distant cousins, barely related

thanks... recently we got rid of our labor laws here in Australia,,, for a time anyway, now just these last few weeks the Government suddenly realised that businesses might actually rip off workers!!! "oh could that really happen, oh dear oh me oh my" said our prime minister, as if anyone could be so stupid as to not see businesses circling workers pay and conditions like hungry sharks in the first place, so they changed the law again.

wow the bunny knows history (mean it in a good way) And it's true businesses will "rip off" workers to get more money don't know while goverments can't figrue that out

I think you mean why.

Penalty rates are on their way out in Australia as well. My wife used to work as a receptionist in a hotel. Before the new industrial relations laws, She was on about $14 USD per hour, however, she could be at work at 1am in the morning on Christmas day and her rate would still be only $14 per hour... no recognition at all for what time or what day it was, and that sucks!

Putin as a dictator? I dont think so,lol. This is one leader that most russians respected and he has contributed so much to the former Soviet nation. A great decesdent of Yelsin indeed.

I think Hugo Chevez is a real dictator. This guy wants to hold an absolute power, recently he closed one television channel claiming that it supports a military coup against him. How funny.

Eh... hes a president, and being a yound democracy we didnt really respect him, we blamed him. His policies have been very socialistic at a time the leise faire would have helped ease the recession a lot more.

Seeing as he was once a staunch communist I am sure he is still a bit power hungry, however he isnt a huge threat.



That is true, the amount of power he is seasing is frightening, and soon enough he will eliminate term limits and we could just say hello to another Cuba.

Have you read the news? Putin is a massive threat, but he holds the fuel pipes to europe, so our leades are all scared

He's taking over all the industries , all the services, soon he'll be in total charge.

And us in the west,
scared of Iran.
how foolish

When a despot is emerging in Russia.
Putin is grabbing hold of all russias assets
For what end?

How naive, how pointless? I doubbt it

OMG is cold war 2 looming?

bet you don't want that.

Marcus




P.S. Putin has WMD's by the thousand, but were too useless to say anything to him,

I am not saying he's a total madman who is corrupted by power and uses murder to fullfill his ends.
The world press says that. he hasn't consolided all his power yet, but I'm not that convinced he's a humanitarian.
more likely he's a nutter in charge of a world power, squaring up against . well, everyone else

Time will tell.

For me its George W Bush's Puppet master.
Israeli Leaders
Kim Jong Il
Vladimir Putin
Pakistan's Leaders
Chinise Leader
Iran Leader

George W Bush because he responsible for America as he is their leader, even though he is not a dictator, so cannot be held responsbile for every action by the American goverment, he still is their leader so i get to blame him

For Israel i could speak all day, it has basiclly illegally annexed the west bank, and Gaza strip, if it was intrested in peace then why does it occupy Jerusalem the main source of the anger?
Israel is one of the biggest arms importers and exporters, it is actually very funny, as America and Chinise relations are hostile, but China ends up with military technolodgy from America, because America sells it to Israel and then Israel uses it for their own purpose, modifies it a little maybe and then exports it to countries such as China and India. Israel provokes its neighbours by being intrusive, and in result People support Hamas or similar movements and declare 'Jihad' on Israel, so Israel has an excuse to invade and intrude further.


In reality though it would be intresting to see if North Korea is a rogue state, that indeed threatens world peace and stability practicly, or is a tool used by China to avoid world condemnation, and uses its influence on North Koreea as leverage for it's aims and ambitions.

Everyone else put Putin so i just want to appear popular

Pakistan spends a huge ammount of its GDP% on the military, and now has Nuclear missiles and the ability to fire them Globally. Pakistan hate for America, and western intervention is huge. Although it did let American bombers refuel in Pakistan it was in its own intrests to do so, as they do not like the Taliban. The a Pakistan man who was employed by the goverment helped Libya, North Korea and Iran gain Nuclear Technolodgy.
Again on the U.S-Pakistan Relations...
Also this is a intresting read

Pakistan has fired on United Nation troops, chasing Afganistan Insurgents crossing the border, which is intresting.

China is an emerging superpower, and has many political disputes to put it lightly.

Iran is develouping or already has nuclear weapons, and is very anti west, with Iran's leader driven not by the benefit of his people, but by appearing strong infront of his colleges, just look at all the kidnappings

You probably don't know the names of the most dangerous people alive as they are by and large appointed instead of elected.
But as a body it might be the citizens themselves who are content with bread and circuses instead of paying attention to what the government of any country is doing or how corporate and government policies effect third world countries and the middle east.
So who is going to win the next American Idle?

With that noted we must now put Simon Cal on the list!