The most dangerous people alive.

I agree 100% with you.
But i also believe that even more dangerous are people that will re-elect/help and appraise any of this human garbage as "saviors" or whatever,i believe all this years that the conspiracy theories and such are a little paranoid and that most people ARE smart but careless but i begun having some second thoughts later,i know that some people simply *don't care* and trying to live their lives but they are shortsighted because living you life involves having a place to do so... Let something(god,theory or whaterver anyone believes personaly) enlight our minds to keep those kind of people away(with any possible means) from governing.

I agree with three out of five on your list. I personally would remove Osama from the get go as I feel that he is nothing more than a patsy, used throughout all of this by our government as the 'figurehead' of terrorism. Whether or not Osama is a willing participant in all of this I cannot say for sure. Regardless, being someone's lackey does not make me fear you.
Putin is an enigma to me. I admit that I haven't followed up on him for quite a while so forgive me for my lack of 'current' knowledge of the man, i.e. any 'evils' he may have done. I do think he is charismatic and intelligent. I admire the fact that he turned the Soviet deficit around, even if some of his 'methods' seem a little 'harsh', for lack of a better word at the moment.
The other three men on your list deserve to be there. My question though, seeing as how they are all just 'one man'... are these men truly evil or are they being as evil as we allow them to be?
Now let me throw in one of my favorites... Hugo Chavez!
I don't care what he's done 'wrong' in our country's eyes, as it only took one act of his to make me admire him. In the winter of 2006 when heating oil was at record highs in price, our government 'asked' big oil to 'contribute' some heating oil to the northeast impoverished. Only one 'oil company' answered the call, and that was the one run by Venezuela... CITGO I believe, but my memory is again tarnished today so please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Sure he may have done this as a publicity stunt, but nonetheless, it was an act of compassion, regardless of it's underlying reasons.
Again, Marcus you are throwing out these delectable topics and I just can't find the time or words to respond!!!
But keep up the good work!

Yeah, he's an interesting guy. Remember when he came to NY (or was it Washington?) and called Bush the devil?




I'm not quite ready to believe that. But even if his motives aren't so good, he's helping (AFAIK) people who have been SERIOUSLY screwed by corporations, many of them US corporations, especially in Venezuela and Bolivia.

I can really only agree with you on Putin, and yes you're right he will soon been a dictator.
Bush isn't really that dangerous more just misguided, and with the present congress he will be less able to do anything.
Osama is just a famous terrorist so I don't think he is particularly dangerous in the greater realm of things.
Israel is semi dangerous, but there are others that are more dangerous out there, and Kim Jong Il is a nobody whose government and country is dependant on Chinese support.

My 5 would be:
Putin
Iran- can't recall the guys name, but you know who I mean
Chavez- Venezuelan Pres
Israel
and terrorists in general just because.

Just wanted to say that underlying reasons are everything when you are talking about people in power.


So was Hilter when he turned things around economcially in Germany in the mid 1930's.

Oh, look - more Bush-bashing. How original.

"Israeli leaders" Not likely. Why on earth would you think Israel (or Israeli leaders) are the world's most dangerous people? I mean, you're completely ignoring people like Hezbollah and blaming everything on the people who were attacked?

As for this "So was Hilter when he turned things around economcially in Germany in the mid 1930's." Honestly, do you really believe George W. Bush is out to take over the world? Here's a site for people like you.


The revised "most dangerous" list:

Osama bin Laden. Agreed with you here, although he's sort of lost most of his power thanks to the President you despise.

Kim Jong Il. Definitely. Communist dictatorships and nuclear weapons should never be combined.

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin - maybe. I can' say one way or the other on this one.

Every single terrorist on Earth. Goes without saying.

The UN. Ineffective peacekeeping and a tool for socialism.

Sorry need to clarify, that is not abouit Bush, Chavez is who that is about. I actually kinda like Bush.

Ah, my mistake there, then.

Oh and the greatest threat that comes from Israel and its leaders is that it could create a spark that starts a much larger a bloodier war. Basically, when Israel strikes back against people like Hezbollah the nations in the area that H members hide in will say aggression and Israel will be painted the bad guy, just like the Lebanon deal last winter. Well, I think it was last winter not sure on that, but you get my point.

In which case America is dangerous because it attracts people like the 9-11 nuts. For that matter, banks are dangerous because they attract criminals!

I'm just calling the reaction of the powers of the world I don't really agree with it, but you remember how they reacted to Israeli troops moving against Hezbollah. It was all Israel's fault as far as the world was concerned.

I'd be interested to hear your reasons as to why Chavez is anything like Hitler. Is there any group of people he speaks of as plagues of the world who should be wiped out? Calling one person, Bush, the devil, isn't nearly the same thing. Is he advocating a massive military buildup and the expansion of his people/nation? If so, I'd like to hear what evidence there is.

I have friends who've worked in the oil industry, for a US corporation, in Venezuela. They weren't even liberal when they started, but some of the stuff they saw there made them very confused as to what the US is trying to do in South America. And what about the fact that Bolivia has been systematically oppressed by corporations backed by the major Western powers? Any political movement there that tries to make it more fair for the extremely poor miners is treated as if it were some major communist threat. Any deeds, no matter how underhanded, to undermine populist movements there, are pursued by the corporate powers in Bolivia (none of which belong to the Bolivian people, BTW).

an interesting list. personally, i don't think all political leaders are as dangerous as you apperantly do, Marcus. at least not Bush. personally, I think he's a pawn for a larger group of plutocrats. i'd probably add rupert murdoch to my top 5.



so you include the U.S. military, then? only difference there is the difference between retail and wholesale terrorism (credit for that idea goes to Jeff Cohen, founder of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting).



some of us are less concerned with being original than we are with having good leaders.

George Bush?? I am fairly certain Osama bin ladan would kill me without hesitation if I was in the same room as him, where as George Busch won't. Pretty sure on that one.

Any of the thousands of rapists and murderers out there are more dangerous than President Busch.

Ok, I guess you guys will reply that George Bush is evil because of the war in Iraq. Let us not forget why I think we are really there: OIL. Oil drives our entire society. When gas prices rise, the entire economy suffers. I can understand where you guys might think we are evil because of this.

Keep in mind though, that if you want to say George Busch is evil, don't ever complain about rising gas prices. The same idiots who preach global warming and complain about the war in Iraq also complain when gas prices might hit $4 a gallon.

People are so stupid. They want their cake but they don't want or understand that they have to work for it.

Rising gas prices are good for the environment! It might just encourage us to drive less!!! Why do the newspapers that talk about global warming also complain about rising gas prices??

Think hard when you complain about rising gas prices..... Think hard to what you are actually saying. To stay ultra rich and drive around our SUVs we need to continue fighting wars that kill hundreds of our citizens!!

George Bush?? I am fairly certain Osama bin ladan would kill me without hesitation if I was in the same room as him, where as George Busch won't. Pretty sure on that one.

Any of the thousands of rapists and murderers out there are more dangerous than President Busch.

Ok, I guess you guys will reply that George Bush is evil because of the war in Iraq. Let us not forget why I think we are really there: OIL. Oil drives our entire society. When gas prices rise, the entire economy suffers. I can understand where you guys might think we are evil because of this.

Keep in mind though, that if you want to say George Busch is evil, don't ever complain about rising gas prices. The same idiots who preach global warming and complain about the war in Iraq also complain when gas prices might hit $4 a gallon.

People are so stupid. They want their cake but they don't want or understand that they have to work for it.

Rising gas prices are good for the environment! It might just encourage us to drive less!!! Why do the newspapers that talk about global warming also complain about rising gas prices??

Think hard when you complain about rising gas prices..... Think hard to what you are actually saying. To stay ultra rich and drive around our SUVs we need to continue fighting wars that kill hundreds of our citizens!!

I wasn't trying to make Chavez out to be a Hitler wanna be.
The point I was trying to make is that just because someone is doing something that helps some people does not mean that they truly have their best interests at heart and aren't doing it just to help to acheive their own personal goals. I was mostly responding to were you said,

and simply trying to say that motives are everything, especially with people in power.
Granted I don't know Chavez or what he actually wants to do, and yes the American oil corporations in South America do treat the workers there like slaves. I hope this makes what I was saying a little more clear.

George Bush?? I am fairly certain Osama bin ladan would kill me without hesitation if I was in the same room as him, where as George Busch won't. Pretty sure on that one.

Any of the thousands of rapists and murderers out there are more dangerous than President Busch.

Ok, I guess you guys will reply that George Bush is evil because of the war in Iraq. Let us not forget why I think we are really there: OIL. Oil drives our entire society. When gas prices rise, the entire economy suffers. I can understand where you guys might think we are evil because of this.

Keep in mind though, that if you want to say George Busch is evil, don't ever complain about rising gas prices. The same idiots who preach global warming and complain about the war in Iraq also complain when gas prices might hit $4 a gallon.

People are so stupid. They want their cake but they don't want or understand that they have to work for it.

Rising gas prices are good for the environment! It might just encourage us to drive less!!! Why do the newspapers that talk about global warming also complain about rising gas prices??

Think hard when you complain about rising gas prices..... Think hard to what you are actually saying. To stay ultra rich and drive around our SUVs we need to continue fighting wars that kill hundreds of our citizens!!

I'm curious as to if you think there will be any good leaders in the 2008 elections, because I have felt that the US has not had a "good" leader in or running for office in quite some time.

Well, I feel sorry for you if you're in a room with 'ole Georgy boy. At least if Osama kills you it should be fairly quick. Bush would just drone on and on until your brain would ooze out of your ears, a slow and painful death, like a cockroach after a Raid cocktail.



Pawn or not, we have a blundering idiot 'running' the world's only remaining super-power, as some in here have labeled us, so I think that Bush is actually quite dangerous... especially when he has his delusions of Jesus telling him what he did was right... especially when he proclaims himself "the decider"... and most especially when he opens his mouth as a representative of our country and our people. He doesn't know what we want, nor what we need and he is the last person I want representing me to the rest of the world. It's because of guys like him that I can't travel outside of these borders without fear of retribution against me, just because I'm American.

i don't bother with such paltry ideas as good and evil. george bush is a member of an economic elite. i'd call him narrow-minded, profoundly ignorant, misguided, self-serving, and cold-hearted, but not evil.
and i agree with you completely about gas prices. i myself don't drive. don't even have a liscence, never have, and i'm 25. it started as a game, but now it's tied to saving myself some money and doing something good for the planet. i cheer and laugh when gas prices go up.


no, we'll have a democrat or a republican. pepsi or coke. i vote green (for president; local elections are another issue, and i register democract so i can vote in the primaries). i agree we haven't had a good leader in quite some time, though i suspect we'd have very different ideas of what a good leader is.

Probably, but at this point a good leader in my book would be one that could get both parties to sit down with each other, without bickering, and actually *gasp* get something done. High hopes I know, but maybe someday.

We need to take money out of the political process if we are to ever have a candidate worthy of being voted into office. There is too much emphasis on campaign funds and we all know that whenever there is a need for funds people will look towards those with money. Now we also all know that 'most' people with money are only going to look out for their own interests so in essence they are merely 'purchasing' a politician. This is wrong and I can't believe that we have allowed our political process to slip into such a state of disrepair. Money, money, money... that's all it is ever about.
I used to think that maybe, just maybe, Senator McCain would have been a man that I would have voted for. I liked his attitude and his style because he told you like it was, whether you liked it or not... and he did have some good ideas. Then this war started and he made the mistake of speaking against Bush, hell, he even spoke against most of his party, and I applauded him for taking a stand on what could have been conceived as the 'moral high ground'. Then something happened. There was a few weeks of silence from McCain's camp where you didn't hear squat from him until he made another guest appearance on the Daily Show. During the interview he basically clammed up and towed the party line. At this point I knew it was over for McCain, at least the respect I had for the man. I don't know who got to him but someone did. You don't just change gears like that without some sort of provocation, and he definitely changed gears.

i think a good leader is one who isn't worried about his job security. getting the parties to agree isn't as big a deal to me as it is to others. placing oneself in the center of a political spectrum doesn't mean much to me when the center itself is still defined by the social elite.


i agree whole-heartedly. this is the "issue" i'm most concerend about. poverty and human rights capture my passion, but with the current political paradigm in the united states, corporate interests have mostly underminded our democracy. sure, i check a box when i vote for president, but it's the money that decides whose names will be next to the box. Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky argued a similar point in Manufacturing Consent. see: Wikipedia for a very brief overview.

their aguments about the news media industry are based on the idea that corporate owners of major news sources often also own significant shares in other industries. those industries collectively finance political campaigns for both parties; politicians scratch their back in return by side-stepping issues over which industry stands to make money, such as health care reform. that's why heated debate in the U.S. congress tends to revolve only around civil liberty issues where there isn't much money to be made, issue like abortion and gay marriage. the focus of their book is more on how corporate interests effectively censor the news media. you could visit Project Censored for some examples of wholly supressed news, or FAIR for examples of how mainstream news coverage is hardly balanced or objective.

"so you include the U.S. military, then?" The US military aren't the ones genociding thousands of their own people. (Saddam Hussein, whom the US Military helped to remove, for instance)

" Let us not forget why I think we are really there: OIL. Oil drives our entire society. When gas prices rise, the entire economy suffers. I can understand where you guys might think we are evil because of this." And exactly why, then, have the oil prices been RISING since the start of the war? Why are there no oil tankers taking this supposed oil from Iraq to here? This "war for oil" rhetoric is no more than empty statements, and I am frankly tired of the assertation.

"Bush would just drone on and on until your brain would ooze out of your ears, a slow and painful death, like a cockroach after a Raid cocktail" George W. Bush is not stupid, despite what you claim. Anyone who can handle the combat controls of a fighter aircraft at supersonic speeds has to be reasonably intelligent.

"Pawn or not, we have a blundering idiot 'running' the world's only remaining super-power, as some in here have labeled us, so I think that Bush is actually quite dangerous... especially when he has his delusions of Jesus telling him what he did was right... especially when he proclaims himself "the decider"... and most especially when he opens his mouth as a representative of our country and our people. He doesn't know what we want, nor what we need and he is the last person I want representing me to the rest of the world. It's because of guys like him that I can't travel outside of these borders without fear of retribution against me, just because I'm American."
Ok, you REALLY need to read the link I posted earlier. It goes into exactly WHY what you said is not true. Seriously - what you just wrote is about the largest bunch of RUBBISH I have read in a very long time.

Now, the President isn't perfect - far from it. Yet for all the whining people like you do, calling the leader of our nation an idiot against all evidence to the contrary, saying that he isn't representing the people (in which case it's a bit odd that he was elected TWICE by the people he's "not representing"), etc. etc., I'd like to see a one of you who could do better at the job.

"you could visit Project Censored for some examples of wholly supressed news, or FAIR for examples of how mainstream news coverage is hardly balanced or objective." And then I look at the links you just posted, and see things Every Bit as biased as you claim the news to be.

Ok, I'm going to back out of here now so as not to keep the fires burning; I will continue to read and may post a little, but I'm not debating any more.

That's really an inappropriate and hyperbolic analogy.