BAck to video games. I think Video Games raise IQ.

See, when you don't play pc games you have much more spare time available to go insane!

Mysticmind,

It was certainly not my intention to insult anyone. I simply meant that when you are in a proffession such as the military or police or firefighting, when you go to work in the morning, you have the thought in the back of your head that you might not come home that night. I don't think there are many if any bankers or grocers or construction workers who have that same thought running around the back of their mind. And I do truly believe that most if not all people in the military, police firefighting are doing so because of a greater sense of community. They care more about the whole than they do their own welfare. To be in a profession like this you would have to wouldn't you? I mean, if i'm just looking to pay the bills, I'm pretty sure I could find a safer job than going into a burning building and trying to put it out, or going to a gang riot and trying to break it up, or going to iraq and being blown up by a car bomb. Don't you agree? well, anyway, again i wsn't trying to insult anyone or their chosen profession. but being active duty, i kind took what you said as an insult and i apologize.

I will second that.

If police for example were there just out of their sense of community then why would they strike over pay? if what you say is true, then wouldn't they be willing to work for free?

Obviously the primary motive to take a job be it in the military or whatever is to earn a living. doing what you wan't to do or whatever was closest available to what you want to do is part of that choice, as is a persons sense of community. So you are correct in that regard.

I laugh at Girard's pathetic knowledge of psychology.



I wish there was a rofdol one.

Really, show me one piece of research that corillates violance and video games. Just one, from a sound source of a research team with at least all master degrees in behavioral psychologists.

Trust me I have read a lot on this, I plan to make it my dissertation if I go into psychology as a major.

Games only increase violance of an already unstable individual, they do not cause violance.

You have to be messed up in order for the violance in games to influence you.

And why was he messed up?
I will tell you. He was a quite kid, he didnt fit in. And what did people do? They made it worse, the made fun of him, they pushed him arround, they bullied him.

And no one ever noticed that his anti-socialness increased to a dangerous extreme, everyone found him that 'weird kid'.

So in the end, it was societies fault that he ended up like that, not a games.

Hmmm well i'm sure society had more of an impact than games, but you cannot blame society for what he did. You cannot expect the world to appease every potential killer, and hold their hand through life so they don't end up like him. It is a tough world sometimes and i admire those who have had a much worse life than him yet chose to make somthing positive of their lives.

He was a KOOK. If you read his ramblings, and read about his behaviour, he was an insecure stalker, blaming "rich kids", and anyone else but himself for his misery.

I love the kneejerk, "I almost gaurantee Sueng Cho played GTA, and 1st person shooters." comment.

If that silly theory was true, the killings in schools would be daily, and nonstop.

I almsot do guarantee it Skyjackoff. I could be wrong all they foumd was wird mentally ill stuff. Take some one like you Skyjackoff and hook them up to playing 1st person shooters for 9 days non stop then swirch the gane to GTA4 and that for 9 days. After your done you will be considerredered the number 1 player of on the cover , SKu Jakx Uo WE /

Your views are slanted Girard, please these things are simulators, most of us have the sanity to understand that the things we do in the games we cant do in real life and shouldnt.

So you already have to be crazy, or have to have suffered some kind of trauma(most likely rape or child abuse) to make the game influence you to repeat the violance.

hahahaha, i can just imagine that!! i really can, without too much of a stretch of the imagination at all.

If i remember my school days correctly,, and looks really could kill, kids would be droppin dead everywhare!! Teenagers really know how to hate with a passion, with an absolute passion and it gets shared around liberally at school. I don't know about others but my whole school experience was one big session of watching kids trying to outdo each other with how malicious they can be. You would think sex would be the main topic at school, but no, all they are interested in is how malicious they can be.

Just a note on the video game violence debate. Shooting a gun and pressing a button on a gamepad are two entirely different actions. Playing Counter-Strike hasn't trained me to kill people any more than Galactic Civilizations II has trained me to conquer the galaxy.

Other things I can't do well: Surgery (despite having played Trauma Center), throw a football (Madden), slay dragons (WoW). Also, I've never saved any princess or defeated any evil masterminds of any sort.

I can shoot a gun, though. But that's because I own one.

I used to be able to shoot a gun when i was young, and i had allot of fun with my air rifle too, but now, and i am embarrassed to even say this but here in Australia you now need a gun licence to use an air rifle (bb gun)!! If their going to put a licence requirement on that then they may as well put a licence requirement on knife's too! Certainly knife's kill far more people than bb guns - the government does do some stupid things in this country.

Anyway i remember the first time i fired a shot gun... my older sisters boyfreind showed me how to do it and then stood behind me expecting me to fall backwards. I pointed at the can and blew it away dead centre first shot. No i didn't fall backwards! My sisters boyfreind asked me if i had done it before, he was suprised, it was my first time firing a real gun and i was a natural at it. All this being well befor the time of advanced computer games.

I never said games were the cause. I said they would help someone be more profecient. If they did cause people to be mass murderers then I'm in trouble.

Great emperor for the fiftieth millionth trillionth time I don't think video games cause people to kill people. People kill people or sharp moving objects(I'm personally allergic to those they make me bleed.)

Oh great emperor did I mention that I don't think video games make people kill people.

Hey great emperor I was just wondering if you got it through your head that video games don't kill people.

You know what great emperor I don't care anymore. I'm going to tell it to you straight. If opinion's were a$#hole's, and a$#hole's were airplanes then this place would be Microsoft Flight Simulator X. The truth. Does anyone want to know th truth? You have hard-line liberals, bleeding heart conservatives, overzealous christians, greedy muslims, and jewish people who want to conquer the lands of unjewish populations. Trillions of dollars going into the pockets of like 2 or 3 guys, meanwhile I've been donating a dollar a day to some rip-off charity because if 100,000 people have been donating a dollar a day since they started that charity (circa 1984 or something) then either those video clips of simon cowell and ryan seacrest walking through a village of desperation and death were created at the universal studio's and those kids are really doing just as well as the rest of us. Or the dollar a day I'm sending is going to one of those 2 or 3 guys so he can blow his nose with it. Not only that we are getting force fed nightmares down our throats thru video clips of terrorism and deseases and wars and nuclear attacks and psycho school shooters and xenophobia. Then we are taught that every problem can be solved in a half hour or hour (depending on whether you watch Malcom in The Middle or Star Trek: Voyager) with commercial breaks. Which not to mention instills the belief that if your not havinmg a ton of sex with supermodels then your not as cool as Puff Daddy or Leonardo Dicaprio or whoever is hot HOT HOT!!! So you see these people argueing about this about that you suck I suck I'm going to kill someone cuz we both suck meanwhile there are 2 or 3 people with alll of the worlds resources who could spread it around a little more but then they might need it later. So no one can get off of this planet and we al want to and as much work as we put into designing a spacecraft with photonic torpedo's and hyperwarp drive we just can't do it, because the aliens who are watching us are going to keep the technology away from us until the 2 or 3 people who have all the trillions of dollars share it with everyone to create a utopia. So until that happens or the antichrist comes or apocalypse hits I'm still going to have to pay my taxes, and depending on whether one party wants it all to go to the 2 or 3 guys who already have all the money or the other party who only wants some of it to go to those 2 or 3 people. Either way I'm just going to play Galactic Civilizations 2 Dark Avatar and wonder why after putting all the updates and beta's together on my computer I suddenly have polygon soup when I stack my ships again (Which was gone for a little while). Hopefully my video game doesn't go into a school and shoot people.
P.S.Because video games make people want to go into schools and shoot each other.

hmmm well computer games might not kill people but from this thread it does seem that computer game 'forums' might result in such events!!!!

Just lucky no one knows where the other lives,,, phew