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How do you guys deal with a superpower?

How do you guys deal with a superpower?


Hey just wondering if any of you guys had any good ways of dealing with a superpower. Usually when there's 2 or 3 powerful Civs you can make them attack each other and slip under the radar but in my current game on crippling the Korath are about twice as powerful as the next race (me). I've already bribed every other civilization to attack them but they're beating the snot out of everyone and taking planets left right and center, no one has anything that could even hope to compete with their technology, is it game over?
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Reply #26 Top
There should definitely be some kind of slider for influence


Oh, to turn down your influence? Have the government seize all McDonalds and nationalize them? That would be a great option. You take a tourism income hit, but could also counteract the diplomacy negatives for "- our alarming influence".

Personally I also find that most of the culture flipping I do is by accident. I almost never build influence starbases, but I concentrate a lot more on population size and happiness... and I pick up a lot of the techs that give an influence boost just naturally. With how the new colony rush goes, there seem to often be galxies with a mix of empires holding a world or two. But they always all end up siding with me... because the AIs tax their pops to death - while I have lots of super happy low tax folks (and I ration opium to my populace so that they are all in a weird grinning daze).
Reply #27 Top

Hi!
What I don't
understand is how you're supposed to get a race that's twice as
powerful as you to agree to an alliance. I mean you have to get
relations to close, but even with much of the diplomacy tree reserached
I still get neutral at best from a civ that powerful.

You have
to check what they think of your race. You can find that in the
diplomacy window under the third tab. IMO the main obstacle is the "--
your military strenght", that cancels out the "++ your diplomacy skill".

BR, Iztok




Well I finally got them to ally me, I traded my two treaties for one of theirs, and diverted almost every trade route to them. Then I cranked out military ships until my military rating was high enough to get relations to "close" and finally traded a bunch of techs for the alliance.

Does the comp ever break alliances? I've never seen it happen myself.
Reply #28 Top
The only way I've seen the comp break an alliance is through the Altarian special ability... which shouldn't affect the Korath.

Good job, and good luck salvaging a win at this point.
Reply #29 Top
My personal preference is rebuilding from the ashes of newly conquered worlds. The diplo approach is used to recruit allies for the task if I take too many losses. I don't like culture wins personally, but I won't call them cheese. I just think its a waste o time how much you have to research and build starbases. Easier to build fleets and send them off IMO.

Reply #30 Top
Hi!
Does the comp ever break alliances? I've never seen it happen myself.

Me neither. But if you don't have a high enough intelligence info on them, the "assasination" even my occur, and it for sure breaks alliance.

BR, Iztok
Reply #31 Top
For a real world example look how the Mogols conquored China then got culturally flipped by their new subjects.
Reply #32 Top
For a real world example look how the Mogols conquored China then got culturally flipped by their new subjects.


Did that include the automatic conquest and ownership of mongolia by china?

I think a better example of a true culture conquest can be seen with Hitlers Germany taking some of the crappy little neighbouring countries simply through popular support of the people in those countries. All this before the main war had even started.
Reply #33 Top


One great example of cultural conquest is Vietnam. Although the Americans withdrew from Saigon after the Vietnam war, going there now you see McDonalds, Coke and just about every other American franchise possible, most shops even accept American Dollars and have prices listed in both $US and vietnamese Dong.

Reply #34 Top
I think a better example of a true culture conquest can be seen with Hitlers Germany taking some of the crappy little neighbouring countries simply through popular support of the people in those countries. All this before the main war had even started.


Crappy,unless you happen to live in one of those countries!

As far as I am aware,there is a difference between fear of imminent invasion,and teaching everyone the beer barrel polka.

Perhaps if you tried just a little harder,you could manage to be a little more
offensive to our European gamers,though I doubt it.
Reply #35 Top
Its not offensive really, just ignorance of his own very shallow and very short national history extending only 240 years or so - and being founded and largely populated by those "crappy little countries".

As for so called "cheese" - this is a game, its not the search for the Holy Grail. If it allows certain actions, do them and enjoy. If it doesnt, tough. Lets not continually try and build something profound and meaningfull out of a 4X game. Geez, get a life and enjoy it for what it is, FUN.

Regards
Zy
Reply #36 Top
As for so called "cheese" - this is a game, its not the search for the Holy Grail. If it allows certain actions, do them and enjoy. If it doesnt, tough. Lets not continually try and build something profound and meaningfull out of a 4X game. Geez, get a life and enjoy it for what it is, FUN.

Regards
Zy
[Commodore] [Top 25] [Second Place Empire] [5 Game Winner] [20 Game Winner] [Human] [Over 25 Battles] [Neutral] [Tough]


ABSOLUTELY !,I could not have said it better!
A video game is supposed to be an escape

fromreality ,not an escape into reality !

If you are not having fun ,you are doing it wrong!!!
Reply #37 Top
Exactly. IMO the biggest "cheese" with culture is the way the AIs all tax their subjects until they scream and I haven't seen an AI ever pursue a real culture war strategy. Occasionally they throw a starbase out but I haven't seen them pull it for a major strategy.
Reply #38 Top
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I haven't seen an AI ever pursue a real culture war strategy. Occasionally they throw a starbase out but I haven't seen them pull it for a major strategy



They scatter influence star bases randomly around the Galaxy.
Very annoying, but they don't have any effect
Reply #39 Top
...just ignorance of his own very shallow and very short national history extending only 240 years or so...

Regards
Zy


240 years and a dominating cultural victory. More of a compliment than an insult.

Also: shallow history? At least the Yanks have only decimated their own continent once with a major war and that was about 150 years ago. The Euros find a way to slaughter each other millenia after millenia, which part of the reason the USA became dominant (hint: not having to rebuild their society avery couple of decades).
Reply #40 Top
Nothing shallow about American history. Dates back quite a bit further than 240 years. North America was still North America before it became the U.S.

Regards,
Q
Reply #41 Top
Guys I think you misunderstood Zydor,

His was a response to small European Countries being called crappy,
he was merely pointing out that it was okay that Mystikmind did not understand
European History as He probably doesn't understand his own countries which is
shorter.

And as far as major wars go,there was the French and Indian wars,the Revolution,
The Civil War and the war of 1812.We invaded Canada once,and fought Mexico twice!

The frequency of wars occurring in North America,and that between any three
European countries is no greater.The fact that more great wars did not happen on
our soil is a matter of distance,imagine the damage England could have inflicted
in the war of 1812,(when they burnt the white house to the ground),had they been
much closer.

And as far as Culture victory,thats a fairly strange assumption.
While its true the rest of the world thanks us for our big macs,they have not
disintegrated into anarchy in order to get drive through service.

In fact may I remind you we drive Japanese Cars when we are not driving German
Chryslers .We fill them up at Royal Dutch Shell,or British Petroleum,when there
is no pump space at Star Marrarro,or Chavez's Citgo.Oil by the way which does not
come from the Iowa cornfields,but the vast Arab oilfields.

And pay for it all with our Bank of America cards,well excuse me that is our
Banco de America cards,it is after all an Italian company.

My point is ,we influence each other in many ways.This is a mutual,and a good
thing.People who are truly superior do not feel the need to make others feel
inferior.

This is just a game as our friend Zydor pointed out,we are supposed to be having
fun.If we can't talk about the game with out insulting each other then there is
something wrong with us.

Of course if you still need to tell the world how much better we are than they,
then by all means use your 100%'American' made computer to do so,after you find
one.