somethingplaid

Join Date 03/2007

Forced declaration of war

OK, this has happened three times in a row now, so I need help.

I have a custom Civ. I have no alliances or economic/research agreements with the Altarians. I havent researchd ethics yet, but because of my decisions im leaning towards good on the scale. The Altarians pick a fight/get picked on by some other race. War between the Altarians and this other race ensues. Now heres the part that sucks:

The Altarians come to be for help, they want me to declare war on their enemy. Their enemy happens to be someone im trading with/dont want to fight with, so I click "no" to their request.

The next turn, all my trade agreements dissolve, and im told by the news ticker that im at war with the enemy I just said I did not want to attack.

Of course, its all downhill from there. The combination of trade loss/diplomatic blunder/and new war I didnt want brings me down every time. I'm playing on "normal" difficulty against a total of 7 races, all out of box.

This game used to rock, but this "feature" makes it suck. Help!

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Sounds like there is indeed a bug with the Altarians' super-ability.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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Some things that help....

I like to always keep a fleet of 10/12 freighters on standby near my trading worlds, and a small offensive fleet ready - just enough to conquor that trading planet and then give it to somone else - usually a monor race due to influence resistance.

This enables trade to continue virtually uninterupted after an unexpected war.

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You should always be ready for war or economic failure.

In my opinion this is a lesson learned. I dont have DA, but from what I hear some of the races abilities are a bit rigged.

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OK. Let me put it this way. I have a trade agreement with say, the korath. The Altarians declare war on the korath. Since im "good" too, I'm asked to go to war. but I dont,so I say no.

I realize I should have these ships here and those planets there and trade routes doing that other thing, but the point is I said no to war in the first place. Why am I being forced to say yes when I clearly said no?

Im thinking this is a bug, otherwise why give me the option?

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Like Kyro said, that sounds like a bug with their super ability. They are just giving you a couple ideas to work around that bug until it gets taken care of.

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If you have a save game that reproduces this issue please zip it and send it to [email protected] with a description of how to reproduce it and what I'm looking for, it will help me reproduce it more quickly.

Make sure that you say what the problem is in the message body of the e-mail. We get a LOT of e-mail, and if I have to e-mail you asking you what it is I'm supposed to be looking for, that's a waste of both our time.

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Mumblefratz

Join Date 07/2006

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Why am I being forced to say yes when I clearly said no?

Im thinking this is a bug, otherwise why give me the option?

You must not be married. My wife always gives me the choice of two different things for dinner. However, sometimes I make a mistake and make the wrong choice. Luckily, my wife knows what's good for me and always gives me what I really wanted all along.

The Altarian AI is simply using it's superior intuition to sense your true desires. You really prefered war all along and just didn't realize it.

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The Altarian AI is simply using it's superior intuition to sense your true desires. You really prefered war all along and just didn't realize it.

Ah, so you're saying that this isn't a bug, because the leader of the Altarian Resistance is a female - makes perfect sense now, in an illogical sort of way.

Simple work around though - don't be good!

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So this is the reason why the Altarian's have the only female Avatar. It all makes sense now!

Obviously, the Altarians need to move to a more mature relationship. They should be at the point were they simply tell you what is best and let you know that you are at war, rather than bothering to ask you. They are probably thinking that they can still change you by asking you to make the right decision, give them a couple more patches and they will be satisfied with simply telling you....

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Guys,
This happened to me, too: Three times during my first sandbox game with Dark Avatar. I don't remember if it was the Altarians each time, but I'm surprised more people heven't heard about this. So far the wars I have been forced into have dominated my time and effort in the game.

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Mystikmind

Join Date 06/2004

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hahahaha, that's funny.

Personally i think that with all this healthy food going around, one day it will lead to scientists being confused as to what tastebuds are for? just like the apendix now!!

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something similar happened to me. i don't remember exact details, but i do remember clicking NO to a war popup dialog and then it said i declared war on my ally, and from that point on i had 2 negative modifiers on my diploamcy for everyone for being untrustworthy. i said wtf out loud and started a new game, didn't bother loading my last autosave.

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lol Mumblefratz!

Sure thing, ill zip up the save game... it seems that the game changes when you reload from an autosave (up to 12 turns out), so when ive had it happen and reloaded, it didnt happen again despite me not doing anything appreciably different until much later on.

oh well. thanks for the assist, in the meantime ill just make myself neutral so it doesn't (less likely?) to happen.

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I actually think the issue is that you shouldn't have received the pop-up box at all. It seems to me that if you are a good race, you should be just as affected by the Altarian super-ability as all the other good races.

This would be another big negative to playing a good race though.

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On that I would agree. I would have no problem with a message box saying "because the alterians are at war, they drag you along too. you have declared war on the terrans" or whatever. at least it would make sense.

right now it just looks like a bug

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