Read this if you want to install Vista

WOW !!!!

I'm speechless too.

Makes you wonder why DX10 is only on vista. Does that mean the gamers have to sign up to this sooner or later ?

I'm using Linux until I can afford a Mac. Shame on M$ ...

Hmmmn think i am going to go out and get Vista.... NOT!

That article has been debunked. The guy who wrote it has never even installed Vista, nor does he have any authoritative sources. Much of what he wrote has been shown to be mere guesswork and conjecture, and in many cases are completely incorrect.

Yet, it gets passed off as fact because he made it look official.

Even if he's 10percent correct its so frightening it needs to be addressed
this is a money grabbing attempt to control computer usage.
Does Microsoft really believe that we will allow them to dictate to every component manufacturers. I think not, Maybe they'll submit

I can't see a world that is without control, do you think Vista is too soon, don't you conceive of further limitations being forced on us. are you blind.

Vista is the start of global control over our computers. If we want anything we'll have to sign up to a PC check which will involve ALL our details. every little piece of software we have installed. mad mostly available to Bill.
Microsoft has thrown the first punch, With Vista.



I know I'll be called paranoid, but we'll see

Well, if nothing else, Vista is a very compelling reason to make the move to Linux.

Who knows, maybe Vista will be the downfall of Microsoft.

Anywhere is better than Microsoft.

It's a pity games wont follow soon

Sorry if I'm rude Lotherius, But you talk shit.,.....

Yipes!

Somehow not surprising.

We are being forced to switch to Vista.

Thanks, Marcus Cardiff, for sharing this.


"A single dream is worth a thousand realities." Tolkien

I bought a brand new computer so I could play the new RTS, Supreme Commander. It had VISTA on it. The computer was usless and non of my games worked, so I payed to put back good old XP on it. Now my computer works like a charm! Screw Vista!

NONE of your games worked? Seriously?

Odd, the rest of the world that actually TRIED Vista hasn't run into that, unless by "None" you mean you only tested ONE game off a list of very old games.

While some folks have problems with Vista, I actually found this interesting:
WWW Link

The game in question - Supreme Commander - actually comes out FASTER in Vista on their tests than XP...

To quote:
"Supreme Commander is a truly next-generation game, and the results confirm this. Although the framerates were close for both systems, Vista came out as the winner with more than a 10% lead. We also found the Vista experience to be more trouble free – in Windows XP we encountered some audio issues, which seem to be quite widely spread. The frame rate was also a lot more consistent in Vista, which was particularly noticeable during battles which were significantly easier to control."

so quit spreading blatant lies.

I think you like Microsoft far too much. a game works, that means Vista is implacable

Edit
By The Way, Define "Rest of the World"

If you trust Microsoft then your a fool

edit, I give up

Actually I was simply pointing out obvious factual errors in the previous poster's assertion. I was never saying Vista was perfect.

I say frequently, however, that there are MANY reasons why some users should not yet upgrade to Vista. However, most of the reasons I hear people give me are not those reasons.

I don't need it - Valid reason
It doesn't support XYZ hardware which I own - Valid if true (not always true)
I can't afford it - Valid reason
I'm waiting for a Service Pack - Valid enough
XYZ software which I must use won't work - Valid reason (if true, not always true).

There are many more valid reasons not to upgrade, yet most of the time what I see are the results of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) being spread by the Pro-Linux/Pro-Mac crowd.

Myself? I don't *like* Microsoft. However, I think it's ludicrous that people are going around spreading this FUD without even checking their facts, and even more pathetic, when they claim that it is first-hand information.

The computer I bought was brand new, completely off the shelf with Vista installed and a top of the line Nvidea card. GAL CIV 2 DA was unplayable (very, very choppy), and Supreme Commander started to work until I installed some patch and then everything else messed up. I couldn't even uninstall and reinstall the game. When I say I tried to install old games I mean games like Rollar Coaster Tycoon 3, and Warhammer 40K Dawn of War, Dark Crusade. I don't think these qualify as old games. I spent hours in frustration before putting XP on my new computer. I have had 0 problems since then.

Maybe a year from now, VISTA might be ok once they take all the bugs out. But, now Bill Gates apparently needs even more money by putting a defective product out there as soon as possible. I suppose its asking too much to work out all the bugs and then put the software out.

Imagine if the automobile industry worked that way. Lets use fuel injector X in our new cars so we can make more money. "But sir, tests show they explode in 10% of all car accidents burning people alive". Nonsense, we need the MONEY NOW, PUT THE PRODUCT OUT. We will handle the law suits and dead people later. Afterall, we are rich enough to handle the few lawsuits from the burnt people.

That movie, fight club somes to mind.

Given that SC is designed for multi thread (i.e. dual core) processors, and standard XP versions don't support multithreading too well (if at all) it's not surprising.

All in all the problems mentioned in the article aren't exactly new. Microsoft's been dictating to hardware manufacturers since Dos, let alone Vista. Most of the problems related to running games on Vista are the same that initially confronted XP users - the backwards compatability features aren't well documented and as yet there's not enough information out there to help the average user understand how to get earlier games working. The other issue is driver support, but that's something not likely to be fixed until manufacturers are more familiar with the nuances of the operating system (same thing happened with every version of Windows).

A lot of it is plain old Microsoft bashing, but there are several valid areas for concern. The fact that WGA now phones home with your system details even if you cancel it's installation for example. Microsoft collect system information with a unique identifier, and while they claim they can only identify the machine and not the user they've also claimed (when talking about DRM) that if you can identify the computer, you can identify the user.
The main objection that could be levelled at Vista is Microsoft want you to cough up a ridiculous amount of money on a new operating system which, all told, offers less actual content changes over the previous edition than the average Sims expansion. New interface aside, there's little actual improvement in security or reliability (certainly not enough to warrant the price tag). This is especially true when you consider that most people will need to upgrade their system in order to run the OS (and those unlucky enough to rely on other microsoft apps like office will be expected to shell out for new versions designed for the OS).

As for gaming, DX10 is unlikely to make a huge difference for a couple of years yet. Not only do the current crop of consoles not support it, but it's unlikely any publisher would be willing to restrict their prospective market to Vista users only until it becomes the standard.

Mind you, the fact that you can use the upgrade CD's as full version CD's helps. Looks like not every Microsoft cock up is necessarily a bad thing

Dawn of war dark crusade works fine on my Vista system (came with new PC) however I cannot get civilzation 4 to work, I downloaded patches and just keep getting cannot find DVD-rom, my old PC use to run that game (although very slow nad sloppy) yet this new PC won't! also I have found no games that have massive improvement in performance (dispite going form a 1.1ghz CPU, 256 Ram to 2x 3ghz (not dual) 1GB Ram), hope to get a copy of XP soon, or linux (have no idea what it is!) anyways thanks for the insight, proves Im not the only one!!

Yup, SCREW VISTA, Bill Gates, did you need more money that badly?

Sounds like an issue my nephew had with one of his games (on XP however).
He had 2 DVD drives in his system, one of which was not working correctly. He had installed the game from the good drive, but the game wouldn't work for the reason you stated.

The fix was to disable the bad drive in Device Manager.

So, if you have two drives on your system, try disabling the one without the game cd and see if that works.

Sure sign of a FUD spreader, when debunked with factual, non-inflated claims, respond with an ad hominem attack. Also, IIRC, the quote you started this thread with was from a couple years back, and is the reason Vista was delayed...because MS listened to him.



I find that statement ironic in a thread that complains about MS trying to control hardware.

again, screw VISTA and screw it hard. I don't think Bill gates needed more money. He could have waited until VISTA was more compatable.

I have Vista and I think it's very good. I have had no issues with games being unable to run on my system (other than Silent Hunter III - but then again, every iteration of Windows will have older games it cannot run).

I have to say I find it weird people place the '$' in Microsoft. It's a corporation trying to make profit, just like every other company. However, because it's incredibly successful people somehow think that it's wrong to make so much. I'm no fan of capitalism, but to criticise MS for its aims (and how else would it release an OS?) and not attack a market economy is a little strange.



There's a common misonception that Vista is at fault for being incompatible. For a fact, many companies were aware of Vista yet were slack in releasing drivers to make hardware Vista compatible (for instance, Nvidia). Many games companies are guilty of similar charges.

And why must all other companies be forced to use VISTA??? Why does microsoft, switch to vista and stop making XP on a drop of a hat?? Microsoft has the ultimate power to do whatever it wants.

If Bill Gates is going to force the world and all other compaines to use VISTA, then he should hire specialists to do nothing but go to other companies to make the drivers for them. I'll bet microsoft could do this and Bill Gates would still be the richest man in the world.

Windows is MS' property, they are under no obligation to support any version any further than they have said they would. No one ever claimed XP would be supported forever. Do you think they should still waste resources supporting Win95? What about 3.1? What about DOS?
Software products, including operating systems, evolve.

This talk about MS sending out driver programmers lends itself to question. If this were to be done, where should they draw the line on drivers? Should they make drivers for Creative's earliest sound cards? What about my old Voodoo3? And what about that no name company I bought a cheap tv tuner from 6 years ago?