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To all the New Players Concerning Mega Events

To all the New Players Concerning Mega Events

or How I learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Mega Events

Many players, both young and old, have complained lately about the Mega events, and their unbalancing or "game killing" effect.

When the idea for them first came out, the Devs asked us (the players) if we would want these events to be there to totally unbalance the game. The vast majority said yes, but out of consideration for those who might not like them, we asked that they be optional. The Devs listened. The discussion can be found here
: WWW Link

So after many of us discussed, debated and accepted the idea, to have people come in and start complaining about it is somewhat annoying, especially when lesser random events happen regardless of if it is turned on or off. Further, since this is a feature that most of us were in favor of because of its unbalancing effect, we don't want to see them nerfed because new players don't yet understand the game and its history.

We asked for it, we got it, and we don't want to give it up. If all the devs read are people complaining about it, then they might change it. So, we want to make sure that what we asked for remains intact. So, we have been somewhat brutal in our responses to those who are knocking it. Imagine you got a nice cute puppy for Christmas, then someone came up and started kicking it, you would be upset as well.

Of particular note lately has been the issue of the Pirate event. If you will note in the Journal about events, Draginol specifically mentioned this event in the initial suggestion. It was something we knew about, and in order for it to be truly game changing, it MUST be overpowered.

I hope that this doesn't sour you completely to the game. Understand that when we were promised this, many of us had been playing for eight months or more, and were ready for something new. I hope that as you get more game time in that you will either grow to appreciate them, or simply play without them.
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Reply #26 Top
no in the one case i got hit by jagged knife and the recession at the same time

got the jagged knife warning

my econimy went from 20,000+ to -6,000+ with an income of 500+ to one of -6,000+ a turn


Had it occured to you that, if you never got an actual recession event, the income drop was probably because the JK took some planets? Especially if those planets were population centers (or had lots of stock markets).
Reply #27 Top
in either case if you have to drop all of your ships to get the economy going to the green and you can't build ships how do you win
Reply #28 Top
I just like to chuckle cause Frogboy shot down the idea of a stable wormhole by describing exactly what mega-events do.

I'm curious, what decides which mega-event occurs...or is it random?
Reply #29 Top

I just like to chuckle cause Frogboy shot down the idea of a stable wormhole by describing exactly what mega-events do.



Actually no, he said it'd be unbalancing because the AI couldn't handle it, which is a different sort of unbalancing entirely than most mega events (the plague cure AI issue aside, since I expect that'll be fixed in the next update).
Reply #30 Top
I haven't seen the AI handle the peacekeepers. Then again, I haven't seen the peacekeepers actually do anything anyway. (The AI attacked them once but after that the peacekeepers just didn't move, ever. I stayed at peace because I never attacked them!)

I don't see what an AI can't handle about a wormhole. :\ The example he cited was the player getting overwhelmed by a large fleet of drengin ships that came through it.

I can't buy the AI not being able, when certain aspects were cited as being more difficult for the AI to handle, intentionally.
Reply #31 Top
danielost, to be honest, after looking at your profile, it would seem that you are only going after military victories. I think I remember that there were a few other ways you could win the game (influence, political, and tech) two of those ways can be done without massive amounts of ship building, tech victory doesn't require any ships! So yes, you can win without ships. Perhaps being a bit more flexible with your strategy or like Feud said, try riding it out a bit longer when times go bad?
Reply #32 Top
in either case if you have to drop all of your ships to get the economy going to the green and you can't build ships how do you win


Trade, manipulate, finangle, you know, the works.

You don't drop your ships though. You start proxy wars, turn people against each other, build up alliances, etc. You can win, I know becuase I have done it (speant abotu 85-90% of the game so far in debt that production and research had ceased).
Reply #33 Top
would have to sell all of my ships to gain money i wish you people would actually read what i write before you condenm me
Reply #34 Top
daniel we are listening to you! But you need to listen to us too! No one here is condeming you, we're trying to help you. We are trying to tell you that, different stratedgies, different adjustments to your economy, and a bit of tenacity may be what your lacking! No one here is telling you that you suck, or that you should go away. We are just trying to show you that a few mega events that dont work in your favor is not the end of a game!
Reply #35 Top
would have to sell all of my ships to gain money i wish you people would actually read what i write before you condenm me


I have been reading what you have written, and I'm not tryiong to condem you. I'm just saying that you don't need money to win. It helps, but isn't neccesary.

Besides, your issue is beside the point. The point of this thread is to prevent the nerfing of the mega events, and to encourage those who don't seem to understand thier purpose to learn more about what they are intended to be; as well as to encourage those who cannot yet handle playing with them on to turn them off until they are ready, rather then complaining about it.
Reply #36 Top
I wish Id actually see a mega event in my games :/ In the 15 or so games of DA Ive played, i dont think Ive seen any...other than a couple enemy planets getting smashed into asteroids. I mean, theres have been the normal economic and influence boom events, but those happed in DL.


Id like to see there bee a setting for frequency of mega events, so I might actually see one in some of my games


But yeah, I agree, theres an off button for mega events, so posting anti ME threads is sort of silly. Now, if only there were an off button for the new espionage system...
Reply #37 Top
Speaking as a new player...

TURN THESE THINGS OFF BY DEFAULT!

Having them on by default was a dumb design decision, period. Part of a list of bad moves that make Dark Avatar a generally frustrating experience for new players, actually.

For all the "old timers" complaining about how the Dread Lords are a free planet, that only applies if you KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, and don't say "oh, something called the Dread Lords just spawned on the other side of the galaxy, beyond my range... the AI civs are making peace with them, so they can't be that tough". Then a battleship with a 505 mass driver attack shows up a while later and destroys pretty much everything I have in space.

I got hit with the pirates too, that was just utter rubbish. And I just don't mean from the point of being game-breaking, it was also one of the worst things I can think of from an immersion POV short of an attack from the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man. "Pirates" with a fleet ten times more powerful than all the rest of the galaxy put together? What happened to good ol' MOO/MOO2 style space monsters, which would randomly fly around the galaxy wiping out planets? THOSE things made for great random disasters.

There also need to be some limiter checks if you're not running on Suicidal to prevent these things from doubling up. In my third game ever, on challenging, I got Jagged Knife and then six or seven turns later I got Dread Lords.

Reply #38 Top
danielost, it is no-one's intention to label you anything, but of course this is about good players and even better players. I wouldn't say anyone is a bad player, but that some are better than others. Is that a sleight at you, no.

As Feud has pointed out your posts have missed the point entirely. You continue to post about how difficult/unbalanced/unfair the mega events are and how you cannot find the solution, to the point that you just gave up. You posting that the events are too hard is just your opinion...turn them off and be done with it!

There are others in the community, those you see here and many more I'm sure, who enjoy the randomness and unbalancing effect these Mega Events have, and that is why they were tweaked in the first place, the mob had spoken.

Understand your playing skill and adjust the game accordingly, this is not the thread to start debating the mechanics of economy or the strategies of a conquest victory, it is to voice the opinion of those who don't won't any changes to the Mega Events.

We accept that in your opinion you think they are wrong/bad whatever.....accept that there are others who think they are just fine.
Reply #39 Top
Speaking as a new player...

TURN THESE THINGS OFF BY DEFAULT!


I agree they should be off as default, but is it that hard for any player new or old to simply turn it off? It is not going to ruin your game experience by having to dis-select the Mega Events.

Again, it is your opinion that these evens are "just utter rubbish", yea a 505 battleship on your doorstep would be a pain, but what a challenge too!

There are players out there who can easily deal with that ship in a few turns and others who's game it may ruin. Fine, that is the point of these events and is exactly what was asked for.

Please no more posting about how the ME are unbalanced, if you cannot find a way to beat the situation it is more than likely that your skill level is not up to it yet.

This thread is for the advocation of Mega Events, for those that don't like them, fine, turn them off, that simple. For those that do, let your voice be heard here so the devs don't nerf them.
Reply #40 Top
Why should they be off by default? They are part of the game , and things that are off by default are things many casual players will never then experience. You should at least experience something first, so you can make an educated apprasial of it before you decide that you hate something (like the new esionage system...) and then be grateful that you have an option to remove it from your games ( unlike the new espionage system...)


I strongly suspect the "ZOMG!MEGAEVENTSSHOULDBEOFF!!!!!" posters here are being silly, but I cant say for certain, as I cant even seem to get any MEs in my games (and yes, theyre on).
Reply #41 Top

Exactly how many mega-events are there?


Jpinard:

I started a post a while a go with a list of Mega event and thier relevant info. Here is the link:
MEGA EVENT LIST

I hope that helps as some of the mega events appear to be ramped up Normal events and ppl seem to be getting them confused.

BTW I totally Agree with the OP. Keep The Events. Please! I Too would like to see them ramped up a bit as, I feel that some of the normal events are almost as unbalancing as the Mega Events! The PQ explosion get me everytime, lol. I love the events, cause the game doesn't get boring. It isn't MOO where you can play the same way and win no matter what! That's what makes it Great!

Although My greatest wish would be for normal and Mega events to be somewhat moddable (even if its only enabling/disabling specific events). Or atleast have a more indepth explanation of how the Mega events occur. I've noticed that if I mod my game a certian way, the unlimited range event happens. Everytime. It would be a huge benifit to the modder to say, disable a certian Mega Event (due to conflicts) in the mod and allow players to play with Mega events on.

But Please Keep the Events! Off by defualt might be a good idea though, lol

BTW, the Jagged knife is not a mega event.
AND, Danielost, you are dealing with a normal event, not a mega event
Reply #42 Top

Speaking as a new player...

TURN THESE THINGS OFF BY DEFAULT!


I agree they should be off as default, but is it that hard for any player new or old to simply turn it off? It is not going to ruin your game experience by having to dis-select the Mega Events.


I'm not sure how I could put this more clearly. Yes, it is hard to turn something off when you have no way to know that it should be turned off.


Please no more posting about how the ME are unbalanced, if you cannot find a way to beat the situation it is more than likely that your skill level is not up to it yet.


Where did you get this idea that what the people on this board "asked for" somehow is more important than game balance, fun, and an experience that *scales according to difficulty level*?


This thread is for the advocation of Mega Events, for those that don't like them, fine, turn them off, that simple. For those that do, let your voice be heard here so the devs don't nerf them.


The balanced attitude toward dissent of a truly wise man.
Reply #43 Top
Yes, it is hard to turn something off when you have no way to know that it should be turned off.


Not sure how i can put this more clearly, read the manual!

Where did you get this idea that what the people on this board "asked for" somehow is more important than game balance, fun, and an experience that *scales according to difficulty level*?


Simply because the unbalancing of the game is exactly what was asked for here on the boards leading up to the beta of DA. Experienced players wanted more of a challenge and a bit more of the expect the unexpected to occur. If you find the the Mega Events affect game balance and your fun then once again, turn them off. If game balance, fun and no surprises beyond your difficulty level is what you are seeking, then by all means turn off the ME and trash the idea if you wish. But the point of the comment was this is not the place to trash the ME, rather to show support for it.

I don't believe that at any point i have attacked someone or their ability to play the game, if i have that was not my intention. But i won't be drawn in to a flame war over this so I'll assume your sarcasm is your attempt to vent your frustrations with the game.

Vent away....



Reply #44 Top
forget it guys anyone who says anything negitive against the ea are going to get stomped

by the way which victory can you win without money


military needs ships=money
research requires researching=money
influence victory requires influence starbases requires constructers=money
alliance victory requires becoming allies with everybody best way is to buy the alliances=money

now which victory doesn't require money
Reply #45 Top
Danielost, seriously, TURN THEM OFF. You don't like them. That's fine, you don't have to play with them. There, everyone's happy. Why are we still having this conversation? That goes for everyone complaining about these things. No one has put a gun to your head and said you have to have mega events on. Those that dislike them should stop complaining and just turn them off.
Reply #46 Top


Where did you get this idea that what the people on this board "asked for" somehow is more important than game balance, fun, and an experience that *scales according to difficulty level*?


If you want "game balance, fun, and an experience that scales according to difficulty level" turn off the mega events, they're not for you.
Reply #47 Top
alliance victory requires becoming allies with everybody best way is to buy the alliances=money


Actually i have found giving them techs is more useful.

As for the tech victory, shut down your production planets and replace them with Stock Exchanges and NLC's/Discovery Sphere's. Just keep your Manu Cap as your major production planet. The BC's you will save from getting rid of your Industrial Sectors plus the extra BC's from the SE's will get you going toward a tech victory. Remember to upgrade what ships you have to keep your military up in the top 3 civ's and with a bit of diplomacy you should be right.

Saying something negative about the ME will not get you stomped, your enitled to your opinion. But calling for it to be looked at by the devs when you can just turn it off will get you a reaction.

From what i can tell by reading this thread no-one is stomping, but they simply are voicing their opinions which is different from yours. If you re-read the op all this thread is about is keeping the Mega Events the way they are.
Reply #48 Top
Danielost, seriously, TURN THEM OFF. You don't like them. That's fine, you don't have to play with them. There, everyone's happy. Why are we still having this conversation? That goes for everyone complaining about these things. No one has put a gun to your head and said you have to have mega events on. Those that dislike them should stop complaining and just turn them off.



this is no longer about the ea's it is about honor

you guys have made a thread that no consending posts

any posts i have made i don't care what anyone says so long as it is civil and demining


sorry about my spelling

Reply #49 Top
I think possibly, a small tooltip styled explanation of the Mega event would be usefull inteh game. To be honest, it is a rather abstract concept (especially for a strategy game), and players who have not been following the betas, previews, etc might not fully know what the Mega event it, or its implications.

I will argue, that as a proponent of the Mega Events, I do believe they need some tweaking, For example, the Galactic Depression ([Somber]) has happened in several of my games. I can't say I fully understand what it does. It sounds like it lowers Morale, but I don't see a significant Moral drop in my planets.

Along the same line, the problem I feel is the impact of the events. I believe it is too small. It is hard to differentiate them from normal events in terms of game impact. For example, in this thread, Danielost has pointed out difficulties with the Jagged knife and Galactic Recession events. Neither of these are Mega events!! Same thing with the PQ explosion (all uninhabitable planets x parseca form planet so&so have been upgraded to PQ 10ish), These are normal events, but they have a big impact on the game. In smaller maps (hell, even in medium and large), the Jagged knife and PQ explosion can totally turn the game on its head. Much more so than a Galactic sadness, unlimited range, or Galactic speed limit (which are Mega Events).

Now I'm not arguing to Nerf normal events, I merely think that it might be appropriate for some events (Jagged knife, PQ explosions, I-league, etc) to be "promoted" to Mega Event status (and thus work under their more complicated algarythmns to decide when the event should take place), and some Mega events perhaps should be moved down to the status of a normal event (Speed limit, Sadness, unlimited Range).

In short. Increase impact of mega events. Weak Mega events, demoted to event. Overly strong events promoted to Mega Event!
Reply #50 Top
forget it guys anyone who says anything negitive against the ea are going to get stomped


If by "stomped" you mean encouraged to continue playing the game, turn off the features that are too advanced for thier level of play, and read the game manual/development journals to better under stand the game's feautres, then yes, you will be "stomped".

That is all we are asking. We are not trying to divide the community, we are not trying to insult any group or single any individual out.

In all honesty, I think that the people posting on this thread in favor of the current system have shown much more patience, curtesy, and respect for you then you have shown for them. I'm sorry if anyone has insulted you, I'm sorry if you feel you are being belittled, but I am not seeing it. If I have done something that has offended you, please tell me what, so that I can make things right.

by the way which victory can you win without money


My discussion of this matter can be found here. Please direct any further questions about the matter to it, as the discussion is not what this thread was intended for. WWW Link

Where did you get this idea that what the people on this board "asked for" somehow is more important than game balance, fun, and an experience that *scales according to difficulty level*?


Becuase that is exactly what the Mega Events were intended to do. Just as teh "CPU intensive algorithams" option is there for advanced play, and should not be used by those who are not ready for them,so are the Mega Events. They are designed to make the game unbalanced (see manual and post linked to in the OP), which would then be more fun to those ready to use them.

this is no longer about the ea's it is about honor


I'm sorry if you feel your honor has been insulted. I hope that BOTH sides (this includes me, as I am guilty of this) in the future are better at giving AND recieving criticism.

you guys have made a thread that no consending posts

any posts i have made i don't care what anyone says so long as it is civil and demining


It's not the spelling that is the problem (I probably spell poorly enough to make my english techers question how I survive on a day to day basis), it's the words that were used. I understand that english may not be your primary language, or you may have difficulty typing. But, that really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Please take some time to further elaborate on both matters, so that they can be properly addressed.