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AI could be more responsive to non-military "attacks"

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AI could be more responsive to non-military "attacks"

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Specifically I'm thinking about culture flipping planets, here. As it stands you get the "alarming influence" modifier while in the process of flipping a planet, but once it's flipped that goes away and, as often as not, relations increase. Subverting aplanet culturally is an act of aggression and really ought to be treated as such. Maybe not as an attack, but it certainly ought to have a lasting negative impact on relations.

Generally the AI seems all too willing to stand by and let you win, be it culturally or by research so long as you keep relations up or have an alliance. Generally it seems that the AI recognizes what you're doing (like the "We know what you're doing" modifier) but simply doesn't react strongly enough for it to matter. That's a shame, because honestly I've never seen an AI quite this adept at understanding what I'm doing. It's a pity to see it stand there smiling while I do it anyway.

I suppose I should note here that my experience is based on playing on tough.
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Reply #26 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Listen guys...the AI is great, but I don't want Stardock creating The Matrix, ok? Thanks.
Reply #27 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Perhaps the AI could serve diplomatic notice that the cultural starbase be destroyed or war will be declared.


On a side note: I'd love to send this message to the AI races too. Even though they do not update their influence bases, some races (Torians, Iconians) seem to get a kick out of building them all over my area of influence and especially close to my planets.

This poses a dilemma for me. I don't really want to risk good relations and I don't want to buy of each and every influence base from them. So I'd love to tell them: "Remove your influence bases or we will react." by trade embargo or worse ...

On the other hand if the AI does not act and I remove the base by force the relation should possible not degrade downright to war, but take into account their offensive starbase posting as well based on how aggressive it was placed and how deep in my area of influence.

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Reply #28 from Stardock Forums Top
Russia can't very well declare outright war because its people started loving our jeans and hamburgers.



No, but if local russian goverments swore allegiance to USA, paid taxes to USA, built products for USA and did research for USA and stopped recognising Kreml then I bet that would be enough to declare war.




No. That would be considered an internal domestic matter in Russia and left for them to handle it. Do you think if the governor of Louisiana suddenly declared his state independent from the US and swore allegiances to France the US would go to war? Not with France any how. The governor would be removed, the state's National Guard placed under federal command, and whatever other measures needed (up to and including martial law imposed) to maintain order in the state; depending on how organized the movement was.

The federal government, if its keen at all to maintain unity, just outright disallows such activities in their constitution. The United States Consitution doesn't allow for its states to mess around in foreign diplomacy and that's why national defense and maintaining a common currency are responsibilities of the federal government; all a part to keep the nation united. Hell, the US fought a civil war just to prove that very point.
Reply #29 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
What part of cultural insurrection aren't you getting here? Flipping a planet involves coordinating and assisting a revolutionary force on said planet, that's pretty clear from the flavor text and description of the stronger modules. So we're not talking about an internal matter, because in your example Lousiana's "we want to be part of France" movemnt would be funded by the French and supplied with arms by the French. That's a hostile act, period.

Fortunately this discussion is moot because the problem is being properly addressed in the AI code. Eschewing realism entirely for a moment, if the goal is to make the AI play more like a human player, no player would stand idly by while their civilization was consumed by an opponent's influence. Influence wars are a fascinating layer of the game, it'll be cool to see the AI properly handle them.
Reply #30 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
So we're not talking about an internal matter, because in your example Lousiana's "we want to be part of France" movemnt would be funded by the French and supplied with arms by the French. That's a hostile act, period.


Absolutely right.

I doubt this would happen, but maybe each planet could have an 'Exclusive Economic Zone' (EEZ--this is a real world naval term for a coastal area that is considered part of the country that owns it, and could be fisheries, trade lanes, etc.) where planting a starbase in it would be a bonafide hostile act, period. Imagine a foriegn country sailing up to our coast line, just off of California and then build an oil rig. Yeah, that wouldn't work out.

Of course, this EEZ wouldn't be anything but a starbase-esque influence sphere. This ties in with my self-supporting starbase idea where starbases inside this area of influence wouldn't require constructors to upgrade, but would build upgrades themselves like planetary improvements. Anyway, the EEZ would be a nice way to keep ppl out of your space, and provides a nice 'border' for your empire.

This would make things very interesting in a Balkanized system where all the planets are just a parsec or two away from each other and two or more civs owning the planets. All the EEZ's would overlap at some point and here is where building that influence starbase to flip a planet wouldn't be an act of war--because those EEZ's overlap.

Anyway, either way it will make for more intresting play once the AI issue is patched.
Reply #31 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
No. That would be considered an internal domestic matter in Russia and left for them to handle it. Do you think if the governor of Louisiana suddenly declared his state independent from the US and swore allegiances to France the US would go to war? Not with France any how. The governor would be removed, the state's National Guard placed under federal command, and whatever other measures needed (up to and including martial law imposed) to maintain order in the state; depending on how organized the movement was.


You serious? You americans went nuts just because France protested against the Iraqi war, poured french whine down the drain and so on. I cant even imagine the reaction if France meddled in your internal affairs and helped a state breaking free from the United States.

The only reason why there wouldnt be an all out war is because France possess the third or fourth biggest arsenal in the world of atomic weapons and a nuclear war would assure the mutual destruction of both countries (and the whole world).