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The meaning of it all

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The meaning of it all

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Evil did me right by starting his own thread on the "what's a thief" question. But a few posts later in that Grammar nazi sprawl thread, QuietlyObserving says "If we are to be a society founded on the Rule of Law, it would be prudent to maintain a healthy respect for language and the meaning of words, lest we slip into a dictatorship of unelected Judges."

This gives me a painfully beautiful opportunity to start a sister thread to Evil's, and ask you all to sink your fangs, fingers, etc., into the basic question "How does a law rule without a human to interpret and/or execute it?"

That's my latest hasty attempt at a longstanding interest in the gov't-of-law-and-not-men notion that's very popular here in the US. I've also known a few linguists and flirted with other philosphies enough to be taken aback by anyone who has too much certainty about the meaning of a particular word or phrase.

Unless you're a minor with parents who don't want you seeing PG-13 movies (I know we have some sharp youth out there, just want to respect your folks), I suggest finding and playing fword.wav before you finish a reply here.
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Reply #51 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
and what curves space only gravity
Reply #52 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Perhaps. Your point?
Galactic Civilizations IV
Reply #53 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
light is made up of particles

particles have wieght

the earths gravity bends light just slightly becouse of the space warp coused by said gravity

and everyone knows

that gravity is so strong in a black hole that light cannot escape

and

light also acts as energy

so light is both energy and matter or at least acts as it is both
Reply #54 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
light is made up of particles

particles have wieght


Photons are massless particles. Therefore they have no 'weight'.
Reply #55 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
that gravity is so strong in a black hole that light cannot escape


You say that like its proof that light must have weight in order for that to happen, which just isn't true.

Light cannot escape a black hole because the curvature of space-time is so severe. It's like a 'hole' in space.

or at least acts as it is both


This is closer to the truth. As I said before, light demonstrates properties of both particles and waves.
Reply #56 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Forgive the layperson language, but isn't the light wave/particle thing part of how the heavy math crowd started talking about the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

In other words, doesn't whether light "looks like" a wave or a particle depend on your observation technique?
Reply #57 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
one thing to remember is that time does not exist or that it is relitive


for example

the solar system is 4.5 billion earth years old

however

it is
18 billion mercury years old
7.2 billion venus years old
2.385 billion mars years old
360 million jupiter years old
135 million saturn years old
11 million uranis years old

in other words time doesn't exist it is just here to keep everything from happening at the same time

the only thing that warps space is gravity



Reply #58 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In other words, doesn't whether light "looks like" a wave or a particle depend on your observation technique?


Yes. I believe that light is neither particle nor wave, but rather is something else that hasn't truly been classified. The reason we state that it demonstrates the properties of a particle in some instances and a wave in others is because that is the easiest way to describe it within our current understanding of the universe.
Reply #59 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
in other words time doesn't exist it is just here to keep everything from happening at the same time


That's a funny statement.

How can it be there and do something if it does not exist?

Reply #60 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Exactly my point in asking that question, so light isnt matter, were back where we began. Plus it is inacurate to say that there was nothing else before the big bang, because there are stars older than the universe. Therefore there was some kind of matter or light or something before the big bang.
Reply #61 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
we all know that god was before the big bang and guess what so were we
Reply #62 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
We dont 'all know' the fact that you blantently stated that without proof makes that whole statement false. We cant truely prove what came first. Its the chicken came before the egg paradox all over again   
Reply #63 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
but i can prove god

the proof is water

i will let you discuss this for a while see if any of you get it
Reply #64 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
oh and to answer the question about the chicken and the egg paradox

if you believe god created everything then the chicken came first

if you believe everything evolved then the egg came first
Reply #65 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
And the explanation to that being?
And what does water have to do with anything?
Reply #66 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
if god created everything then he would have had to create the chicken first to take care of the egg

if the chicken evolved from another bird then the other bird would have layed the egg and taken care of it


water is rocket fuel hydrogen and oxyigen

salt is two poisons sodium and chloride

ice is the only solid that floats in it's own liquid form
if it didn't then there would be no life in lakes and rivers becouse the lakes and rivers would freeze bottom to top instead of top to bottom giving life a chance to continue below the ice

personally i think the real answer is more complicated than either of those

Reply #67 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Exactly, i prefer to think of it as chance. Especially when it comes to evolution.
Reply #68 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
non of it is/was chance or as scientist are now saying an accident


i read this in a noval once and i think i agree with it

life is like a sonnet you can do whatever you want as long as you follow the rules

and our rules are the ten commandments

and if you are not christian or jewish just think of all the other religions and they all have simular rules except maybe the muslims


sorry about my misspells
Reply #69 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
There are no true 'rules' for the Universe. The Ten Commandments are more moral guidelines than anything, and you need to brush up on your culture. There are plenty of religions that go against many Christian views. Nothing was an acident true, but i dont think any of it was planned, if it was then why all the instability in the world before we came along. And even better why did the world start without us. I mean on geological scale, we have existed for less that 1% of the world's total history. If something did create this world then it had to go through quite a lot of chances and testing to create us. Some all powerful being didnt just raise point at the land and said "LIVE!!". I mean if i was something that powerful i would get bored and go off to do something else, but it matters if this 'being' has a concience or anything, does it feel or think? Who knows, we cant ask it.
Reply #70 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
there is something i do know and if i told you

you would think i was crazy

and i wouldn't blame you

but i will say this we are the children of god

and as far as the c24 aging tech it doesn't work the way it should

i heard of a lady who dug up some bones

scientist came out and aged them to 10,000 years then lady said they were wrong becouse she had buried her cat a year before in that spot

of course that could have a false story but i don't know for sure

and you are right the 10 commandments are a guide line but tell me what country doesn't follow them no matter what the religion is at least some of them

Reply #71 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
in other words time doesn't exist it is just here to keep everything from happening at the same time



I like this statement. because if your outside of time, yes, everything has already happened and nothing has happened, both at the same time ... 'time'?? hmm wrong concept hehehe
Reply #72 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
isn't that what the bible says god said
Reply #73 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
and as far as the c24 aging tech it doesn't work the way it should



Can i ask about carbon dating technique?

if i make a mud brik then carbon date it, would the result show the age of the brik or the mud?

If i process iron ore to steel, would carbon dating show the age of the steel or the iron ore?

If i take hydrogen and oxygen, create water, would carbon dating show the age of the oxygen and hydrogen or the water?

If i freeze water, melt it, make steam, condense it back to water would carbon dating show the age of the original water, the ice, the steam or the final water?
Reply #74 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I think it would be fairly difficult to carbon date something that contains no carbon.
Reply #75 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
you do understand that you are drinking the same water that the dinosours drank right

you might be able to do it with steel becouse it is carbon that makes iron steel