The American government do a lot of bad things, yeah. Do they kill millions of people due to race? You sir, have no right to discuss politics

So your going to allow them to progress into proto-Fascism until they do start killing us by race? Because thats the future of the Conservative movemment.

So your going to allow them to progress into proto-Fascism until they do start killing us by race? Because thats the future of the Conservative movemment.

Thanks for not reading my post. The Bush administration shouldn't be allowed near politics, either.

Intelligent people only. That rules you out. You have just amply demonstrated your amazing two tone view of the world.

I'm not republican. But calling them nazi's is simply idiotic. Now learn to argue properly, and maybe, just maybe, one day you'll deserve to be talked to in anything elss than a condescending manner.

I have yet to met a judge who understands the "So you knocked his teeth out because you disagreed about the 2000 Flordia mess?"

If I were a judge, I would totally understand that argument. Unfortunately, I'm not one, so it looks like you're SOL.

But calling them nazi's is simply idiotic.

You can't tell me that bashing minoritys (every minority that exist period)isn't inevitably Rascist/Prejudice? What group should I lump then into? What group in history has done the same thing hmmm let me think the Nazis, the KKK, The Confederacy?

So which group should I lump them into? The Confederates they didn't genocide people and were rascist. You act like just because there not killing us off now that there not ever going to. Which is wrong and is not protecting this country or democracy.

S1Genocide, since you can't seem to let the topic go after being told to knock it off multiple times, I've set you to visitor. You can cool off for a few days, then you'll get set back to citizen.

Ask yourself, does this post add anything to the community?

I wish more of us thought like this. The problem with common sense is that it's not really all that common.

Well it is a OFF-TOPIC section so why shouldnt ppl be able to talk about politics I will allways side with freedom of speach. Not allowing discussion for the reason that it might offend certain people is absurd. Saying o dont talk politics or religion because ppl get offended also absurd.If the people who run these fourms dont want off topic fourms delete them but picking and choosing what can and cannot be discussed seeems unethical to me.

Well it is a OFF-TOPIC section so why shouldnt ppl be able to talk about politics I will allways side with freedom of speech

So you think that the westboro baptist church, to take an example, should be allowed to continue saying things like "god hates fags" and "god laughs when the soldiers die in iraq"?

Yes, there is a line. Yes, political correctness is NOT that line, it's severely overdone. But there are certain things which simply shouldn't be said.

Especially by raving lunatics who simply don't know what they're talking about.

Many thanks Kryo.

I understand the passion with which everyone defends their beliefs. And, yes, the world can be a messed-up place. I don't think anyone would disagree that we live in chaotic times.

However, this does not matter here. Allow me to illustrate:

Stardock: How much money must it cost to maintain the servers for this site? How much raw cash is your company putting down each month simply to allow players of your game to meet in a common place on the internet?

Of course, the question is retorical. I wouldn't expect anyone to post company financial figures on-line. I'd bet it is expensive.

My point is, this party is being paid for by Stardock. It is an extention of their workspace, and a method by which they can communcate more directly with their customers to make better games. This is the site's purpose.

As players, we are guests here, while Stardock pays the bill. Does Stardock not have the right to determine what is posted here?

If you were paying for a site, wouldn't you exert control over that which was in opposition to your site's goals?

Well it is a OFF-TOPIC section so why shouldnt ppl be able to talk about politics I will allways side with freedom of speach.

One of the most important parts of exercising freedoms is knowing where and when to do so. For example, you're free to run around nude and totally drunk in the privacy of your own home. Try doing that in public, and you'll quickly find yourself in jail. Even more so, you can't possibly expect to walk into someone else's house or place of business and do as you please there as you would in your own home.

Stardock in no way seeks to stifle free expression. But for topics that are as divisive and inflammatory as politics, we prefer that they are not discussed here where the divisiveness can and most certainly will bleed over into other discussions and destroy the strong community we have. They can also be a big turnoff to new players who come here for the first time and see those threads in the recent posts list. As I've noted before, you can discuss politics all you like over on our own blog/chat site, JoeUser, or any other of the thousands of websites made just for that purpose.

One of the most important parts of exercising freedoms is knowing where and when to do so. For example, you're free to run around nude and totally drunk in the privacy of your own home.

Nope. I want to, but my wife said it will damage the children.

Everyone else seems to agree that politics are just too divisive a topic to allow here,

Not that I want to come back on what I said earlier, but about divisive topics..

- Tactical Combat
- Multiplayer
- Carriers

The difference is that those topics are actually relevant discussion material, since they relate to GC2. Plus, one is already under consideration for GC3, one is possibly coming to GC2 after DA, and the third is just a hopeless idea that just won't happen

Damn. Nevermind. S1Genocide, Marcathonas you're sort of proving kryo's point. The whole thing has decended to the point of parody.

It's Stardocks forum. They can do what they need to do, I was just trying to make a point. As a culture, really, we're sticking our heads in the sand.

It uncomfortable to discuss politics, in large part because of raving lunatics like S1Genocide. And since people aren't communicating, the government is able to do whatever-the-hell it wants because there's no discussion. Our Democracy is corroding from within- just forget the terrorist threat- we'll destroy our own liberty.

But anyway. Just note that 99% of the people here aren't screeching through their keyboards. It's just that loud, obnoxious one-percent. You know what I mean?

Anyways. Forget it. Go Kryo. It's your show.

The difference is that those topics are actually relevant discussion material, since they relate to GC2. Plus, one is already under consideration for GC3, one is possibly coming to GC2 after DA, and the third is just a hopeless idea that just won't happen

Ohohoh? First time I heard about them.. (well, I knew you would impliment Tac combat in GC3)

So.. we know Tactical Combat will be in GC3, or at least, we'll sacrifice 2-3 developpers on our altar to try it. What will (maybe) be in DA..?

I guess it's not too hard to guess.. MULTIPLAYER, HERE YOU COME!   

You can actually discuss politics here:

https://forums.joeuser.com/?forumid=3

Your GalCiv UID and PW will work fine.

But like Kryo said, the problem with political discussions is that people start to dislike each other just over political beliefs.

I debate politics all the time and when I'm on-line I intentionally magnify my political views to get a response (I am interested in politics but don't care care about them). But I've seen many times where people actually get very upset over the views of another person.

Now, if you don't mind, I'll get back to playing with my George W. Bush action figures...

 

The difference is that those topics are actually relevant discussion material, since they relate to GC2. Plus, one is already under consideration for GC3, one is possibly coming to GC2 after DA, and the third is just a hopeless idea that just won't happen

This topic is so bleak it makes me pine for a good carrier thread.

It seems to me that Stardock's freedom of speech policy is very strong. They seem very reluctant to interfere with the direction and tone of discussions on these forums except in very extreme cases. I re-read the Chavez thread taking particular care to not to associate names with posts. I really don’t want my opinion of anyone to be forever colored by some of the things that were said there. There were a number of truly hateful things said in that thread and for what? What did any of that accomplish? Nothing.

Kryo has mentioned at least twice that these types of discussion would be much better off over in JoeUser. A reasonable person would take that advice.

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Took me so long to write this that 3 posts intervened between mine and Kryo's. If I had known Frogboy was going to reinterate the JoeUser reference, I wouldn't have piped up with "me too".
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*sigh* Some of you people...

We just got over ChickGate, and we immediately have to light the fuse on something even worse (politics - second only to religion as the worst source of internet flamewars ). I swear, some people THRIVE on flamewars. If there isn't one raging, they crank up the rhetoric higher and higher, saying more and more extreme things until they ignite one.

If all those sorts of people took half of the time they spend hitting refresh buttons on forums looking for fodder for their next salvo, and devoted it to something positive, we'd all be driving around in fusion-powered cars drinking Starbuck's new Elixir of Youth Frappucinos.

And for the record, no, I don't take the above stand because I'm some wimp who wants to stick his head in the sand and not think about political issues. I actually have quite strong political beliefs - none of which I'm going to share with you.

You see, I've been around long enough to know that waving my **ck around on internet forums in order to "give the other guys a good thrashing" and show everyone what an "awesome, well-informed debater" I am is just self-indulgent BS. It only serves one purpose - to make the poster feel better about themselves. If that's what you have to do to make you feel better about yourself, perhaps it's time to re-examine your priorities.

I actually have quite strong political beliefs - none of which I'm going to share with you.

Thank You.

Yes, there is a line. Yes, political correctness is NOT that line, it's severely overdone. But there are certain things which simply shouldn't be said. Especially by raving lunatics who simply don't know what they're talking about.

I'm in favor of restricting the topic of politics here just so I don't have to accidently read this guy's misguided need to bash anyone that doesn't agree with his point of view. I only see one raving lunatic around here...

Edit-ok nevermind, this is why i should stay out of political discussions, i get too riled up. i'm going back to reading strategies and shutting up now

Now, if you don't mind, I'll get back to playing with my George W. Bush action figures...

Do you have the one with the rolled up dollar bill and mirrior, with real snorting action?

sorry, i might be asking for it... but i can't help myself!

sorry, i might be asking for it... but i can't help myself!

It's Ok, Not really funny though. Just tired.