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LMAO Gotta love whackos

Accually I save those hard facts for those who come right out and blame eveything on Bush and the republicans, to show them they have no idea what they are talking about. Things like what I said, that durring the Cold War the US was succesfully infiltrated by Communist spies that the liberals let stay. Look up the Venona Project:) Every administration has thier faults, high gas prices is no something you should blame Bush on, bad foreign relations on the other hand...

Oh, and it is about $2.59-$2.69 here in good ol' crappy weather Ohio:)

We have the technology, but not the will.

Very, very true. We have been using fossil fuels for over 100 years, that is proof enough that we do not have the wills. Another big problem that we have is in all honesty the free market that the US has. We can't just say oh well to fossil fuels just like that, the oil componies will go beserk and all of the other subsidaries with them. It would not be pretty, it needs to be gradual and well planned. Now Brazil on the hand... 30 years ago the government took control of all the oil reserves, refineries, you name it. Now Brazil runs off sugar ethonal, not a drop of gasoline to be sold there. This can't happen in the US/Europe, many will loose thier jobs like that and the gov. would take all the blame. Again it would not be pretty, but it needs to be done.

Oh, and sorry for all the typo's, I should really double check myself  

Actually, Brazil is around 85% non-fossil fuel. Even so, they make an impressive model. However, their situation is unique in that they have a lot of useable land with a relatively low population. That makes renewable fuels a more viable option for them. In any case, your point is valid, it *does* take a government effort. As far as the US goes, that's not going to happen with the current administration.

OR THE LAST ONE OR THE NEXT ONE

it was 2.95 a gal, but with the huricane coming to the gulf, it will go up....

Actually, Brazil is around 85% non-fossil fuel. Even so, they make an impressive model. However, their situation is unique in that they have a lot of useable land with a relatively low population. That makes renewable fuels a more viable option for them. In any case, your point is valid, it *does* take a government effort. As far as the US goes, that's not going to happen with the current administration.

Um...Actually it has nothing to do with the current administration. Brazil started that program 30 years ago. If the USA started a crash program today, maybe in 10-15 years they could be up to Brazils' 80% ethanol use. Blame every administration for the last 30 years. I know, I know, it's fashionable to hate the "current administration" but it's counter productive.

Oh, and the US can use it's awesome corn growing ability to produce cornsyrup, which is not as good as straight sugar but still makes clean burning ethanol. The car manufacturers and oil companies have bought and squashed the ethanol tech all along.

And for all of you who blame gas prices on Bush, grow up and get your facts right! Oh does a president control a FREE MARKET??? You tell me that one please...

Bush is both in the oil business and is the president of America, do you really think that it's just coincidence that gas prices are up?

Bush is both in the oil business and is the president of America, do you really think that it's just coincidence that gas prices are up?

It's not a coincidence at all that gas prices are up--it's a matter of record high demand (China is a factor in this), price increases by crude producers (OPEC), and speculators driving prices based on regional instability (pretty much the only factor that anything Bush does has anything to do with). And despite all that, it's fallen more than 50c/gal in the past few weeks, demonstrating that high demand (summer travel season) is really the greatest factor.

Bush is both in the oil business and is the president of America, do you really think that it's just coincidence that gas prices are up?

This is simple rhetoric...unproductive.

Back to the subject on the thread about gas prices- It's 2.36 here in R-kansas, and about 2.50 back in my home state of Alaska. There seems to be lots of speculation of it dropping below $2.00 by end of year- should be intresting to watch...

Funny how the people who want to jump on the I hate Bush bandwagon and blame him for the rise in gas prices. Americans are a reactive bunch, and nothing ever changes until it affects the individuals pocketbook.

With that said, the largest oil reserves are NOT in the middle east. The abraska oil sands in Canada holds more oil than all of the middle east. The recent discovery and ability to extract oil in the deep gulf of Mexico increases the reserves even more. Then add in the new technology to extract oil from old oil fields being pinoeered in Wyoming, the use and storage of CO2 injection into oil fields, and Wyomings oil reserves have increased since last year, while Wyoming produced more oil in 2005 than has been produced in the last decade.

Since the infrastructure is in place for transporting oil, gas, it is an expensive task to change to other fuels.

For the supporters of ethenol, you better look at all the polution that refining ethenol produces in carcinogenic by products.

You really want to help the mother earth out, stop wasting so much of everthing. Almost every product you buy uses oil in the package. The world wide demand for oil based products continue to grow, and the price will continue to rise until the consumers says I will not pay that much.

Gas is now back to 2.60 per gallon in wyoming....38 cents of that is tax to keep the highway system operating.

And despite all that, it's fallen more than 50c/gal in the past few weeks, demonstrating that high demand (summer travel season) is really the greatest factor.

Don't expect that to last as the demand for oil and naturnal gas for heating homes/offices increases as we move into fall.

Actually in the US we have a surplus supply of both gasoline and home heating oil, so prices should remain stable or even go down further in the next few weeks ... after that , well that's what futures speculators are for.

West Virginia/Ohio prices right now are around 2.36 a gallon, but there are a few stations selling for about 2.14 a gallon  

Heard on the radio that a couple of sations in S New Jersey are at $1.999 & $1.989. Down at the corner they are at $2.199. And there is one Sun station in Phila that is getting out of the gas business today (says the oil company has kept the wholesale price so high and the rent on the station is going up so he can't make any $ on gas) so he is selling off his inventory at $1.469. [He's opening up a repair garage only down the street.]

I pay around $2.50 per gallon here.

Man I love it when people think they understand polotics... it makes me laugh! Did you know that whne President Roosevelt was president he accualy had a Soviet Spy advising him at Yalta? And there was evidence before that was presented to Roosevelt and his liberal friends that Alger Hiss was a spy. It was even proven he was a spy but Roosevelt didn't listen. Oh and for all of you who don't know which I suspect many of you don't, the conferance at Yalta helped create the UN. So you can basicaly say a Soviet Spy helped created the UN. During the time of Comunism the vast majority of liberals and dmocrats shrugged it off, didn't think it was a problem, but later after Communism fell histroy has revealed it was pure evil! I believe the same will happen later on in the future. We will look back and see that terorrism was a real threat at the time just like Communism was. Oh nad look this stuff up, it is 100% true. Terrorism is a problem now people, look around. Iran is obtaining nukes, N. Korea wants to test them. Iran wants to push Isreal into the Mederitanean and the US will just be next. How about that guy Clinton? You know that he had the option of killing Osama 2 times? And passed them up!!! There were many terrorist attacks on this nation during his presidency and he did nothing! At least Bush has the guts to stand up and do something. And for all of you who blame gas prices on Bush, grow up and get your facts right! Oh does a president control a FREE MARKET??? You tell me that one please...

You need to quit smokin' that elephant crap there young fella. It's okay little buckaroo, you can open your eyes now.

i don't mind the price of petrol (gas) going up, since i own shares in an oil company! and i don't own a car, but that has more to do with living in london than anything. when i go home (brisbane) i'll get a car again, start complaining about high prices (usually much less than europe, but slightly more than us), and buy more oil shares to compensate   

WOW this is one of the most succesfull threads i have ever started! on any forum

I cant beleive you are complaing though look at my original post! We in the UK also have to pay about 3 times as much as what you in the states pay and that is for natural gas!

(Citizen)Evil StormbringerSeptember 22, 2006 14:12:42Reply #43Man I love it when people think they understand polotics... it makes me laugh! Did you know that whne President Roosevelt was president he accualy had a Soviet Spy advising him at Yalta? And there was evidence before that was presented to Roosevelt and his liberal friends that Alger Hiss was a spy. It was even proven he was a spy but Roosevelt didn't listen. Oh and for all of you who don't know which I suspect many of you don't, the conferance at Yalta helped create the UN. So you can basicaly say a Soviet Spy helped created the UN. During the time of Comunism the vast majority of liberals and dmocrats shrugged it off, didn't think it was a problem, but later after Communism fell histroy has revealed it was pure evil! I believe the same will happen later on in the future. We will look back and see that terorrism was a real threat at the time just like Communism was. Oh nad look this stuff up, it is 100% true. Terrorism is a problem now people, look around. Iran is obtaining nukes, N. Korea wants to test them. Iran wants to push Isreal into the Mederitanean and the US will just be next. How about that guy Clinton? You know that he had the option of killing Osama 2 times? And passed them up!!! There were many terrorist attacks on this nation during his presidency and he did nothing! At least Bush has the guts to stand up and do something. And for all of you who blame gas prices on Bush, grow up and get your facts right! Oh does a president control a FREE MARKET??? You tell me that one please... You need to quit smokin' that elephant crap there young fella. It's okay little buckaroo, you can open your eyes now.

Nice blanket, unproductive statement, with no argument attached. What, exactly, did you find wrong about his post?

Some people just throw out statements with no actual FACTS to back it up. EXAMPLE: "President (insert name here) is evil. THAT'S why oil prices are going up"

in the biggest little state here in the US. i just paid 2.45$ for a gallon.

Just like Coastie74 said mostly anywere between 2.75 and 3.00, thanks bush, you bastard.

ROFL

Bush has nothing to do with gas prices you muppet!

If you're mad at gas prices blame CHINA...how DARE they start developing NOW when my
2007 Shelby Cobra GT500 Mustang needs lots of gas. Not to mention my 2 SUVs.

  

Truth be told, if you do the math, for the past 10 to 15 years we have enjoyed very cheap gasoline.