Korean Test Missile

To Shoot or not to Shoot that is the question.

So to me I think that if we do shoot down the Korean test missile that it might anger North Korea so much and give them justifacation to ask china for support to invade South Korea. We as the backers and the army behind the U.N. will be the ones to support South Korea and we will be in WWIII faster than a nuke exploding on Souel... then we will have to worry our asses off about Iran and what they will do once they finish testing there missiles and before you know it a full scale war will be going on to rid the world of NUKES and other WMD's do you see that it is doomsday already upon us....

{builds a fallout shelter in his backyard}

I might be overexaggerating really though what do some of you think will happen when they shoot the missile off...
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Reply #1 Top
The Pentagon: mister president what are your orders on how to procede on intercepting the missile?

Bush: aww, hell shoot the damn thing out of the sky!

The Pentagon: alright people now the orders are to shoot the missile down, aim the sites on the missile and fire the interceptors when ready...
Reply #2 Top
Well, if earth had a U.P., (some might say the U.N. is the U.p., but China still trades.) they'd probably make them all destroyed.
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China and North Korea's relationship the last several years can be described as strained. Further, China is emerging as one of the strongest economies in the world, with the Untied States being it's principle trading partner. Most likely, were the U.S. to shoot down the test missle, China would make some noise but not much else.

They know a war in Korea would bring immediate American involvment, and that the U.S. has said it would be willing to us tactical nuclear weapons in the defense of South Korea (we've said so for decades). Further, North Korea's famine has decimated it's population and they are dependent on American grain shipments. They likely could not mount an extended war in the south without heavy Chinese support. This support would be used to directly attack U.S. troops, and most relations with China would collapse. Any nuclear exchange would result is far more damage to them then to America, so a drawn out conventioanl war is what they would want (to give the American people time to get angry and demad troop pullouts as the body count rises).

While future Chinese aggresion is a rising concern, I doubt they would support a Korean war at this time. Were they ever, it would probably be done alongside an assualt on Taiwan, which they care a whole lot more about fighting over. It would also mean risking a unilateral war with the world's strongest nation (economically and militarily, while they would technically have N. Korea, they effectiveness of that alliance is questionable). In the last war, they had the Soviet Union standing behind (and flying above) them. Were they to go to war in a place where we had troops, there would have to be a tangible gain to them. As it is, the region is at peace (except for N. Korea's sabre rattleing), they have no desire to change that unless they feel they have to (its bad for buisness).

Everyone knows that the North Koreans have no purpose in amasing ballistic missles, as the U.S. has no intention of intiating a war over there, and the only practical use stratigic missles have are either as a deterant or as a blitz tactic (and they can't afford an arms build up of that scale). The only reason they want them, is so that they can beat thier chest, and pretend they are important. China knows that, I doubt they are willing to risk a war just because Kim Jong's ego got bruised.
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I think it is all bloody silly.

Let them fire their missile.

They are not going to use it to launch a nuclear strike.
It would be suicide.

They are just making a political statement.

Of course it could be another massive screw up by the intelligence people. 
Reply #5 Top
It is a political statement for them to launch the missile
it is also a political statement for US to destroy the missile, saying "hey, you have nuclear weapons and think you can hit us... yeah, no you can't. Sit down and shut up"

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The NK military is so hopeless the South Koreans could handle them by themselves. The only threat is massed chemical attacks on major cities like Seoul, but if NK uses WMDs the US will too. And the US only has one kind.
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You would be suprised, Pnakotus.

During the cold war, we concentrated on every type of weapons of mass destruction, from the obvious nuclear weapons to biological weapons to chemicals to sh*t I don't even want to think about.

So... no, we are not limited to nuclear weapons in WMD warfare.

Sorry you think we're so innocent that we didn't stockpile smallpox and amass nerve gasses during the cold war just like the USSR.
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My point is that there are only one kind of WMD in the US arensal that is current atop missiles, in submarines and ready to load into bombbays. Of COURSE the US has all kinds of crazy weapons (although I'll point out VX isn't a WMD, since it's local and has low duration) but the only one they're going to use is nukes. Or do boomers carry a few anthrax missiles too?
Reply #9 Top
You never can tell with the military

I'm not exactly sure it would go over well if the general public was told we had weapons that could potentially start a world-wide plague where ready for deployment
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@Feud: You're right for the most part. Especially with China already talking NK down, telling them not to do it. As far as the NK armed forces, they like China has a mass of numbers. While a prolonged offensive would definitely fail, the initial push could reek enough havick across the boarder area that they could probably slip agents and special forces through during the maelay. Yes Kim Jong is trying to be bigger than his britches; but I believe him to be wild enough to try anything at any time.

@Vulcan2 & psilontech: Yes they're definitely trying to make a political statement. A statement that "even if you can beat us, we'll take as many out with us as we can!" We as a nation, as well as the other nations around them, need to send the formal statement of "sit down and shut up!" But!, if we back down on their test, what of Iran!? Same situation, slightly different area. Our statement, and the worlds, needs to be alike to all of their kind. Else more will put their fire into the fray.

@Pnakotus: Don't count on all the SK to stand firm. There's many dissidents that would openly back NK if war broke out. You would wind up with a front and many rear pocket actions all at once. Many more than these alone already wish we and the UN would pull out regardless. But these in whole are still a minority within SK; but minorities can sometimes do more damage than majorities or armies. And the US only having one kind of WMD? Not on your life!!!! Though we would be very reluctant to use them, we still have massive stockpiles of chemical weapons as well. Here in Kentucky where I live, there are at least 10 caches within the state. Each holding enough to account for use great than WWI and WWII combined. We might not openly endorse using them, but I can definitely see their use being "purposely" exposed well afterwards.

I say, primarily, watch out! If you don't do something now, to start with, later action will be just as meaningless! God Bless the USA!
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God Bless the USA!


ah! American pride that can only go so far though.
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tlwhite, I can appreciate the possibility of partisan action within SK, but the NK military is simply appalling. Unless the NK knock out the SK military in the opening strikes, they'll get steamrolled.

And again, the nukes are the deployed WMD of the US. Sure, they've got piles of rubbish gasses and newer products like VX, but I'm not aware of any deployment or planned deployment of these weapons. On the other hand, nukes are ready 24 hours a day to strike anywhere in the world. The only real threat from NKs chemical weapons is civilian casualties, which most people consider important to limit.
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It'd be funny if the US decided to intercept the missle and missed. That'd be a tad embarrasing and has a good probability of happening. Though the pentagon said newer versions of the ICBM (which the test missle basicly is) AMDS's are more realible, the system tested thus far have something of a 25% success rate. As for another Korean war, Feud described the situation very well, so its unlikely to happen.
Reply #14 Top
IMO, Every country should be able to develop nuclear weapons. The US has them so does China, Russia, Isreal and UK. So who are we to say others cannot possess these weapons when we have them sitting in our subs
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It'd be funny if the US decided to intercept the missle and missed.


Maybe it is a dud they are going to use.

Maybe the intercepting missile will hit but won't explode the missile.
Reply #16 Top
thats why if we try to blow the missle out of the sky i think that we should send 10X the ammount necessary to blow it up so if 9 miss the 10th one will hit

trying to intercept the missle and failing would be worse than not trying at all it will give a message to Kim Jong that "hey if America failed this time than i got something to threaten them with!" and it will inflate his head way too much for his own good and might cause him to be overconfident enough to threaten the US directly whitch will result in his immediate erradication but another war on our hands when one is plenty enough

also if Iran sees us miss in intercepting a missel... well lets just say id be more worried bout that nutjob that dosnt believe in the holocost than Kim Jong
Reply #17 Top
IMO, the Star Wars program continued, but it got so good we had to let no one else in on it. So, if some of you on the west coast see a giant laser come out of the sky, Thank President Ragean.


And anyway, all it would take to disarm the missle is a nice tap in the rear. Send it spiraling, and SPLASH! it lands in the water and a Billion won investment goes to the fishes.

God bless the U.S. and it's Patriotism and Patriot missles.

Reply #18 Top
Blowing the missile out of the sky with a US navy based S3 Aegis Standard 3 missile when it is traveling upward slow and blazing hot is a better option than when it is in its termimal ballistic phase cold and superfast.

If we intercept the odds are it would be with a destroyer or cruiser off the coast instead of one of our few (11?) operational terminal phase BMI interceptors based in CA or AK.

They probably would be fired if the damn thing was headed to CA instead of the northern pacific.


There is probably also too much risk on giving a propaganda victory ro giving hard data on our capability if we shoot and miss, always a possibility no matter how mature the system.

BTW, the North Koreans don't "test" missiles like any normal country. In the cold war, the US China USSR France UK all would give detailed warnings to "sailors and airman" and imvite observers just so the tests wouldn't be misunderstood as actual bad day launches,.. noooooo the PRK just lights the candle.
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"Maybe it is a dud they are going to use."

Like off of Pearl harbor (movie) the bomb drobs... IT'S A DUD! BOOOOM
Reply #20 Top
If the NKs attack us... They are way out of their league. I'm not sure what their military is like, but from what I've heard here is sounds crappy.

If they did fire a dud at us we might just use that as an exuse for attack...like the 9/11 attack. Iraq didn't even attack us! Somewhere else attacked us. I heard Syrian terrorists did it.
Reply #21 Top
...I'm pretty sure Al Qaida did it. Still not Iraq, but Syrian Terrorists?

More than likely if they fired a dud we'd go to war with Iran somehow, after fighting half a war in NK. That seems to be the trend anyway.

In all actuality, this whole ordeal will probably be lost in whatever local news story ends up coming up soon... kinda like how we pretty much ignored North Korea after the first time they said they had nuclear capabilities.

It would be pretty cool if we had almost an exact recreation of Mercenaries (video game)... but I doubt it'd happen.
Reply #22 Top
Actually if you were to ask me, I'd say this missile test is more an act of desperation than anything else. We all know that North Korea can barely support itself as it stands.

To me, this "missile test" is really aimed to make North Korea look bigger and to wring concessions out of scared countries. And the only reason I'd see them trying to wring out concessions is because financially they're in trouble. There's simply no other strategic value in a missile launch that'd piss off every neighbor around it, including China.

(Regarding China: the economy is still developing there. The last thing they want right now is a war, especially with their largest trading partner. Also, the main problem with North Korean mischief is that Japan could use it as a reason to remilitarize - and the Chinese haven't forgotten the days of the Japanese Empire; that's like telling a Jew to forget about the Nazis and the Holocaust. China most definitely doesn't want that.)

It just looks like they're (North Korea) having trouble paying the bills, so they have to scare up lunch money from all the kids in the neighborhood.
Reply #23 Top
If North Korea(or Kim Jong)was smart, they'd just surrender to China. Even the low AI Drengins know when to surrender.

P.S. Drenggins always get killed in my games...ALL of them. They only colonize 2 or 3 planets and get killed in the long run. Even on Normal.
Reply #24 Top
Well, here is my take on it. We really can't shoot the thing down.

I support the war in Iraq, so please don't think I'm afraid of war or anything as such.

While it might be a show of power if we do shoot it down, N. Korea is beyond the point of intimidation by power. They saw how we opened the Iraq war, and I can't believe they would want that in their country. IF they start a war with us, most of the world will be with us, possibly even China. IF we shoot down the missile, then they are one step closer to having the US start a war.

Let them test it, sanction them, and focus on our defense shield. Make our allies aware that we will stand by them, give them the technology, sell them the parts, whatever. But at this point, the United States should NOT fire weapons unless threatened. If the missile is launched toward the US and comes within a thousand miles (or some other range) of Hawaii, then shoot it down. We can justify that. But just because they test launch doesn't give us the right. We test launch stuff that could threaten other countries quite a bit.
Reply #25 Top
Oh I could see it now...