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how is this possible?

June 21, 2006 7:35:06 PM from GalCiv II ForumsGalCiv II Forums
ok this i don't get, i know that ships fire at the same time, if they both should die in the first round the attacker wins right? ok so i have a ship with 1 HP and 20 attack, i attack a ship with 10 HP and 5 attack. both of the ships should be destroyed in 1 blast, but he wins, i was the attacker but he wins. how?
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Reply #1 June 21, 2006 8:39:50 PM
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If you have 20 attack, that means you will do somewhere between 0 and 20 points of damage per shot - just like his 5 attack will do 0 to 5 points. So ALL outcomes are possible. He could do 0 damage to you on his first shot, and you'd live - IF you did more than 10 damage on your first shot. The most likely outcome is probably mutual destruction, but it ain't certain.
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Reply #2 June 21, 2006 8:46:01 PM
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He probably had defenses.
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Reply #3 June 21, 2006 9:33:07 PM
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I thought in the case of a tie that the one with the most hps would win the battle..not just the attacker.
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Reply #4 June 21, 2006 9:39:08 PM
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if both ships are destroyed does the "winner" matter at all? And there are random variables so about half the time your going to lose that fight because you do less then 10 damage. (by lose I mean be destroyed and he is not destroyed) And if he had defenses then your really in trouble.
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Reply #5 June 21, 2006 11:11:04 PM
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If both ships die the ship with the highest max hit points wins.
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Reply #6 June 22, 2006 3:32:33 AM
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I still don't get it. (I haven't played 1.2 yet) What does it matter who "wins" the fight?
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Reply #7 June 22, 2006 3:49:21 AM
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Because the loser dies? The ship with the most HP will win in 1.2 if the last two ships kill each other in the same turn, with the victor coming out of the fight with 1 hp, and if they have the same max HP, the attacker wins with 1 HP. I'm pretty sure weapons have a minimum damage of 1, assuming the defending ship doesn't have defenses.
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Reply #8 June 22, 2006 4:24:41 AM
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Would make more sense if the ships simply destroyed each other
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Reply #9 June 22, 2006 5:27:21 AM
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Ohhh, I c. I thought they both just got destroyed. Sorry. Next time I should try a feature before discussing it I guess.
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Reply #10 June 22, 2006 5:51:31 AM
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Because the loser dies?

Actually it does seems like the game requires that one fleet be victorious for some reason rather than show a result where both sides destory each other. I suspect the combat system *demands* a surivivor and winner , so when they changed the system to allow simultaneous and opened the possibility but both side destorying each other together, they just went with it rather than changing everything

Of course, the current system, where the ship with the most HP surivies, or the attacker (if tied in HP), might be added to give the attacker some slim advantage, but I doubt it since the advantage in this case is minimal to the point of invisibility.

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Reply #11 June 22, 2006 7:46:55 AM
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oh i didn't knew that the attack was randomly, i thought 20 damage would do 20 damage and not between 0 and 20. also i thought the attacker won, but the highest HP wins, ok. than it all makes sence again. thanks
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Reply #12 June 22, 2006 6:00:22 PM
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Actually this is not because of random damage. From the change log:

+ New Combat System: 1 on 1 Ship Battles:

If both sides kill each other in the same round, the ship with the most max hp will escape as the winner with 1 hp. If they have the same max hp, the attacker wins.

+ New Combat System: Fleet Battles:

If both sides kill off the attacking ships in the same round, the last attacking ship on each side is compared for max HP. The one with the most max HP survives with 1 hp. If they both have the same max HP, the attacker wins.

So the ship with one hitpoint looses because it has lower max hitpoints.
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