was it a trolling post?

are you sure?

i thought i was

reacting to other posts... which everyone has a right to post there opinion..

lol.

any attempt at comedy is for purely protective reasons. if i try to be funny, everybody will think i'm not taking things too seriously.

and also to hide the fact that you hurt my feelings.

because i know if i showed my true feelings, shadowtekdotnet, you would make sure i felt even worse, wouldn't you?

since we already established there was a lack of integrity, personal responsibility, and (lol) courage...

-0.

sigh (god I hate baby sitting) no onowak I wouldnt make you feel bad, just think before you post... problem solved..

ST

I could say the same for you ST.net. What point does this whole thread serve (aside from presumably getting your site noticed)? You're asking people to go through and remove something simply because you think it's bad, when it's an option, not a necessity.

No one is twisting your arm to use cheats, and there are no giant billboards hanging in public places saying "People are using cheats in Galciv II". Your arguement seems to be the repetition of the singular point "Cheats ruin the game", and the fact of the matter is they only ruin the game if the following two things occur
1) You use the cheats
2) You let them ruin your game

The fact of the matter is that the purpose of GAMES is to have fun, Galciv is a game. Some people enjoy doing games where they cheat. I don't personally, but that's their choice, and more power to them if they go against the "I don't like cheaters" bandwagon.

If you're so against cheats, then one would assume you do not use them. In which case HOW do they ruin the game for you? Unless on some bizzare metaphysical level you feel a needle piercing your navel every time someone presses the control button on their keyboard while playing GalcivII, I REALLY doubt it ruins the game for you.

I think most of you here will agree that a post here is for establishing your opinion but not hurt others just like those low level cheaters. So You can assume that they all are liars, and will you feel better when you meet one not? We don't need any justice here and you can assume yourself a gang, or a brigand and finally, another armageddon of locking the thread by the forum keeper happens again and we all finished. This is a cycle of tragedy or fate? I hope that I am not that one. So please don't put too much subjective view to others.

This is a fascinating topic, but I don't see any evidence for ShadowTek's view. Surely most games are proof that cheats do not destroy a game. Look at say, Half-Life 2, or Half-Life. They have cheats, but were and are hugely successful, and mods are still being produced for half-life now.
If people stop playing a game because they've used cheats and got bored, they must have got bored of playing without cheats first, so they were gonna stop playing anyway. I'm afraid I just can't see how cheats destroy a game, or think of a game where cheats have destroyed it and dispersed the whole fan base.

I cannot believe that so many people cared to post in this thread. The original posting is utterly ridiculous, stating that Stardock should remove all cheats and the whole cheat mode because it destroys the game. Just let it drop into oblivion...

I want debugging tools to stay in the game.
Yes, debugging tools, they are really not cheats, but debugging tools which need extrenatly to be activated (if you don't modify INI, they is no temptation to use them, be strong and keep INI file intact).

The old Civ2 had good way of handling this. Any game which used cheats was flagged as CHEATER in high scores.

They are good thing to debug mods, or experiment with the game.
Like when you want to make a guide, and need to enble some tech to see what exacly they give, or when you need to quickly explore different alignment choices.

I wouldn't call the money offer so much backing up, I'd rather call it a bribe.
Here you say that everyone has a right of their oppinion yet at the same time you try to force your way with money.
Unfortunatly, this is seen in the real world everyday: Politicians, authorities in general...well, everywhere.
Fortunatly this is only a game and the consequenses aren't that serious, but at same time I you gave me a picture of what kind of character you are or might become.
Also, you can think of the reactions it would bring out if they took you up on that offer!
Actually you more or less made it impossible for them to make a change like that because it would probably start a rumour-buzz like no other.

Anyways, you probably would do much better if you thought about the people that play your mod w/o cheating and praise them, instead of going down on the group that really doesn't interest you in this case.
You would find much more enjoyment from your work this way as well.
Besides, in the end a cheater ruins more for himself than for anyone else.
Think half-full, not half-empty

Any game which used cheats was flagged as CHEATER in high scores.

Same for GalCiv 2 and the Metaverse.

Lame. Let people play the way they want to. If there are exploits, and you know of them, then do not use them. If there are cheats and you know them, then do not use them.

Etc, etc, etc.......



We are all adults here, or so I think, and I am sure, that you can exercise self control like other normal adults....



Give it up already.


I for one do not use cheats... I do not play metaverse eaither.. I just don't care. I like to play and have fun.

I originally wrote this post when there were fewer than 20 posts here on the topic, but my internet connection went down for 12 hours. Unfortunately I don't have the time to read through everything else right now since there seems to be a fair number of long posts in this thread however I will add my own thoughts on the matter and check back later.


Cheating is a personal preference. It's up to the player whether they cheat or not. The only difference between using a trainer and codes built into the game is about 5 minutes for a google search. Possibly a little more depending on the trainer that you are using. Looking at it like this I really don't think that it makes much difference to your average player (of the cheater kind). As others have already stated, having cheats built right into the game allows for easier debugging when patching or modding the game and as such IMO they should be left alone. Most if not all games have some kind of Debug cheats in them, so I see no reason to change it.

If you have a problem with someone cheating while playing your mod, just step back and think about it for a moment. What difference does their cheating make to you? Unless the person cheating is doing playtesting for you and is giving bad feedback about the difficulty because of their cheat then how does it affect you? If that was the case then you could justifiably be angry.

As it stands you seem to be complaining about other people cheating and thereby ruining the game for themselves because it will no longer provide a challenge to them. My question to you is: Why do you care how others play the game? If others want to cheat then more power to them. Whether or not the cheats are built in or not will not stop a cheater. It is a fact of gaming that people WILL cheat. There is nothing you can do about it.

Your objection was based on others ruining the game with cheats. However have you considered that for some people, cheating can be fun? Have you never felt the joy of covering every square inch of the map with zerglings in Starcraft? Or becoming wealthier than Bill Gates in Simcity? For some people these activities can be fun and in some cases can only be accomplished through cheats. Some people enjoy trying to break games. I personally used to love cheating. I remember playing the Command and Conquer: Red Alert and modifying certain units to have a cost of 1, 5000 health, maximum speed and a tesla coil as their primary weapon. Adding all these to spies was the most fun as certain allied mission had you control a single spy and required you to avoid guard dogs that could sniff you out. After being eaten alive 40 times, roasting those little dogs with 50,000 volts was extremely satisfyling.

With all that said, I wish to make it clear that this view is only for cheating while in single player. Cheating in multiplayer is completely different and while it may not ruin your fun to have auto-aim and wall hacks, it does ruin the fun of others when the get hit with a head shot while underground by some 13 year old from across the map. Cheating in multiplayer is a terrible thing, however when it comes to singleplayer, let people play how they want.

did i misread something or was his point 'cheaters get tired of game quickly and leave, thereby reducing the gaming population which ruins the game'

cheaters leaving is bad for game??

gonna have to lay off the thinking, i obviously suck at it

People actually use the cheats in this game? There is a difficulty slider...

After reading so many hot-talks in this thread, I have a personal view that most of you don't care about cheats. That's right, in a circumstance that the players are only you and the computer AIs, that is full of fun to play so many critical hits to the bored AI players, but what I mean is, doesn't a great game that needs some skills or thinkings worth you a little bit of time to get trained before you move deeply? Card games or checkers are simple, but you still need time to find the mastering techniques.
Now some guys start a great game and begins 10 mins, and find that it is damned hard to collect the needed resources, then they just press a key and get another 1,000,000 gold or 2,000,000 resource, ok, win in another 10 mins, that is all. So why they just waste their 20 mins to play such a great game but not spare it for sleep, drinking or making love? I think that is more reasonable and they don't even need to know that there exists such a MATERIAL. Well then, we don't need to care the cost behind, we don't need to know what it is because we just know that it means some $$$.
Do you like some 13 year olds have such concepts? Perhaps you need to tell them why and what they are playing.

csddab

Huh???

lets try that in english now.. after two cups of coffee and a little food in your belly....

Cheats are good. I do not use them, but is doesn't mean someone shouldn't. Each person should be able to play their unique game. Who are we to tell them how to play it.

I agree with the above statement... I couldn't have put it better

Csddab, I'm not sure if you're arguing against or for cheats, but I think you're against them.
If people want to cheat and ruin their own games, that they're decision. No one has the right to tell them they're ruining it all, if that's how they want to play, and enjoy playing, the game.

What if you want to play out certain scenarios? For example, giving yourself a race hopeless at diplomacy (no diplomatic race advantage and forcing yourself to avoid the diplomacy tech tree), but strong in millitary (by both racial advantages, and cheating to get halfway up the weapon and defense tech-tree), then setting yourself the challenge of somehow getting a diplomatic victory without wiping out any races (and preventing others from doing the same), kind of like a galactic caretaker.

In fact, that sounds like fun. I might give it a go. Oh god no! Am I suggesting that cheating can, in some way, make a game ENJOYABLE?

Yes, yes I am.

Join the B.C. Space Orcas. You cannot use cheats and post to the Metaverse. We are a rapidly growing empire now in 11th place. The next 15 people to join will become Senators. Hurry as this is a limited time offer. Even reformed ex-cheaters are welcome. Bye for now. TBAY

True, but havein a ton of built in cheats doesnt help any, I realize most people will want cheats, but after a month or so, you'll never see them here again, unless there posting on how easy the game is. Which IMO its not, unless I use cheats (which I am guilty of some time) ST

I've seen serious discussions about disabling/removing cheats for games which were multiplayer, but never for games which were singleplayer.
You want the cheats removed because you are unable to stop yourself from using the cheats. That's a personal self_control issue not a game issue.

The $500.oo offer... that was funny... I'm sure Stardock devs are laughing.


I personally never cheat... it leaves a black tainted feeling inside me. I won't even reload a previous save game if I lose serious battles!

goood lord....this conversation went nuts...anyways ShadowTek, if you are still paying attention to this, let me know, I found something you'll find of interest

MOIISKA

Huh??? lets try that in english now.. after two cups of coffee and a little food in your belly....

Sure, that is a deservingness.

Cheats are good. I do not use them, but is doesn't mean someone shouldn't. Each person should be able to play their unique game. Who are we to tell them how to play it.

You better tell this to your kids, now or in future, then you will see what is going on. NO rule in their own game means that you must keep others' privacy, right? I really want this post keeps public so that everyone knows that you are telling them they are free for their own game.

@ SJLunchbox

Csddab, I'm not sure if you're arguing against or for cheats, but I think you're against them.

I claim that cheats are necessary sometimes, but not for a childhood. Most games in last decade had cheats included. However, I don't understand why because the earlier games didn't include cheats at all. The games at that period included only Easter eggs or special bonus, not so wried as now. This is so sad that make me consider the games manufacturers today come to a tragedy that they sell too many similiar games, so they need to take a measure to keep their customers fullfilled. I don't expect that nowaday there still exists a gamer who takes 50 hours to pro. in Super Mario Bros or Rockman, but you should understand that the time the old gamers spended in these games was equal to the fame of these games as well(of course, if the gamers invested too much of their homework time or working hours on games, that was another tragedy). This is a best reflection as todays' Earth. Even you make against to sg., they still exist, this is a common sense.

What if you want to play out certain scenarios? For example, giving yourself a race hopeless at diplomacy (no diplomatic race advantage and forcing yourself to avoid the diplomacy tech tree), but strong in millitary (by both racial advantages, and cheating to get halfway up the weapon and defense tech-tree), then setting yourself the challenge of somehow getting a diplomatic victory without wiping out any races (and preventing others from doing the same), kind of like a galactic caretaker.

Sure, I always want to see what the games are trying to bring to me. Unless I am a total newbie, I always set the difficulty level to higher.

In fact, that sounds like fun. I might give it a go. Oh god no! Am I suggesting that cheating can, in some way, make a game ENJOYABLE? Yes, yes I am.

I congratulate you that you have found something that make you enjoyable.

NTJedi, I have the same opinion as yours but I suspect that what you will do if you fail the mission.

Cheats are a nesscessary tool for modding and development...

@ ShadowTek.Net
if you hate cheats, don't use them... hilarious thread

@ onowak