No, actually I began replying and was then called away from the computer to do some other stuff. Then I came back and finished it. I usually update the page to see if anything new has posted when these real-life things happen but maybe I missed doing it this time.

And please, stop with the lame insults already. It's kinda pathetic.
Anyway, I'm going to bed now so if your oh-so original insults go unanswered, you know why.

Insults? I'm insulting you? I'm trying to keep myself being barred here, and stating facts. Surely even you could get that?

I would insult your intelligence, but you do a good enough job of it on your own

Oh yeah, and you're a hypocrite. You call me retarded when a) I'm more intelligent than you, I'm right and c) you chastise me for being unoriginal? zomg wtf n00b!

So you are saying that calling me a moron, a idiot, nOOb and saying that I was jerking off aren't insults?

Forgive me for continuing this silly "discussion", but it's fun in a sort of weird way to see what you are going to come up with next. Anyway, good night for now.

And calling me a fanboy and retarded isn't? Please, now you really are being insulting with this condescending garbarge. You started this, don't act all high and mighty over it.

*ahem

It seem as if you both are correct at some level.. TRUE it may be BUGGED as Ignuss has mesioned and True it maybe implemented in the game as Marc has said but you both need to just get over this... this is CHILDISH fighting over some little thing as a research bonus I mean who really cares? It is just a tile with a resource on top of it... I mean just play the game.. and why is this dragging on like a chihuahua clutching a pant leg of his human... LET IT GO!!

Dang...Let's get ignuss to join in at our "little" chat post.

-Wade

Too bad to see something keep happening.
I am thinking who will be the first one begin boring about that. This thread's topic is "I thought 700% enhancement tiles were rare". So we then keep tracking whether it is a TRUTH that "700% enhancement tiles were REALLY rare", huh?

Please READ this and then take a moment to reflect before you dive at your keyboard!

Guys Grow Up already! Agree to disagree and go shoot some hoops or something please! If i see any further flame posts in this thread they will be deleted without any comment being left. I dont care if you dont like it and think of me as power mad because it doesnt make an ounce of difference to me! You flame i delete! If you dont like that then the answer is simple....

DO NOT FLAME!!!



Darth Griffin - GCII moderator

And now back onto topic

Earlier tonight on the IRC channel there was a discussion between a group of us and two of the games developers, CariElf and BoogieBack. The topic under discussion was the Precursor Library and whether it was possible to get it in the game or not. Now after quite some time, and a lot of code crunching, the answer they came to after looking at the code is NO, not under normal gameplaying circumstances.
It appears as though the code to produce the library was swapped out for a different bonus by either Frogboy or the original programmer. Why this was done they are unsure about but it is easy to make an educated guess... At +700 the research gain to that planet would be immense. Just think of the output of a PQ26 planet with a +700 research tile if you filled the rest with other research buildings! The thought of the Dev's was that it was removed for this reason.

Hopefully this answers your question

To Darth Griffin:

the answer they came to after looking at the code is NO, not under normal gameplaying circumstances.

I don't think this is a good answer since the official manual clearly points out that there exists such facility. Perhaps someone will feel that they are fooled after many trials, especially for those who doesn't like ctrl-n. I have personally tried this, the best output seen was 2x300%+1x100%, which is an equivalent of 700%, and you can imagine when this was happened on a PQ12 planet, the output still ruled. Another thing I noticed was, in a best ctrl-n, I saw 3x300% + 2x100% something. So the key here is "Do you like ctrl-n" or perhaps the result is you may feel bored after too many trials.

It appears as though the code to produce the library was swapped out for a different bonus by either Frogboy or the original programmer.

I don't understand this totally. This will cause the same result as above or perhaps, you don't want to continue this anymore since you actually have too many ctrl-ns.

Just think of the output of a PQ26 planet with a +700 research tile if you filled the rest with other research buildings! The thought of the Dev's was that it was removed for this reason.

This is not a good reason since 1)the opportunity for this case is REALLY RARE and 2)you sink me to the 3000 feet deep's Atlantic Ocean when I get a first price of lottery!

I emphasize I am not flamming but this is what my thought:
I know that most of you are experts of ctrl-n, so how strange it is? If you don't want to get one, just fewer ctrl-ns. However, if you are a diehard completist, just prepare to repeat it 100,000,000 times by god's name, fair?

Gotta tell ya, I see the precursor mine (spider web) all the time, sometimes on my planets, mostly on conquered ones that turn into my planets.

I have seen the golden mountains also, (300% research) again the same, more on conquered planets than on mine.

Once though in my memory of my games I started out with 1 700% precursor mine, 1 300% mine, 1 100% mine, 1 300% research tile, 1 100% research tile, 1 300% food tile, 1 100% food tile, 1 - 100% entertainment tile. Course I was playing the Thalan so started with a 15 PQ world. Unfortunately, I was also in a corner by myself in my own starsystem with the next starsystem being 45 or so parsecs away and inhabited by the Yor... Lost my arse rather quick.

Stil though, in all my starts, losses and wins I have not seen the holy grail of research. Although I worship Cari like she was the morning dew so if she says its there, I will be patient, wait, and believe.

W/R
Suralle Straykat
Kat Lord @ Large

I don't think this is a good answer since the official manual clearly points out that there exists such facility. Perhaps someone will feel that they are fooled after many trials, especially for those who doesn't like ctrl-n. I have personally tried this, the best output seen was 2x300%+1x100%, which is an equivalent of 700%, and you can imagine when this was happened on a PQ12 planet, the output still ruled. Another thing I noticed was, in a best ctrl-n, I saw 3x300% + 2x100% something. So the key here is "Do you like ctrl-n" or perhaps the result is you may feel bored after too many trials.

Ctrl+n to get a good set up is cheating anyway. Wow, you can restart the game and get a decent set up. That's an "I win" button. There are many good, valid reasons for ctrl+n, that isn't one. CariElf showed us the stats, and 2x300% is roughly as frequently occuring as 2 precursor mines would be (except mines have extra code written so they can't double on the same planet).

Also, the manual was incorrect even before launch. The forums and wiki are far more useful.

This is not a good reason since 1)the opportunity for this case is REALLY RARE and 2)you sink me to the 3000 feet deep's Atlantic Ocean when I get a first price of lottery!

Wrong. 700% were replace by 300% for research (or that's what is currently thought), but for manufacturing (as an example) I've had a PQ 28 with +1100% bonuses, and about 3 more +20s with over 700. They aren't all that rare.

Most of us here can play without the need to cheat the system.

Ctrl+n to get a good set up is cheating anyway.

Yes I know that this is an open cheat.

That's an "I win" button. There are many good, valid reasons for ctrl+n, that isn't one.

So do you enjoy lost? I think you can find another 100 reasons to say no. Also I don't think Stardock want to sell us a game like that, right?

and 2x300% is roughly as frequently occuring as 2 precursor mines would be

I am sure I can get one within 100 times of ctrl-n. Please, add something to help me this.

Most of us here can play without the need to cheat the system.

So do you think that the game is still fun now? I am sure sometimes we need to "Cheat" each other but not "Hurt".

I just want to say, a game is not the same as a software, everytime you start a new game, it's full of random factors. You know that you will be poor with a start of no bonus tiles but will you accept that? If you are playing with AI players, I think you still enjoy your victory after another tens of turns. However, if you opponents are not so easy to beat, I am afraid you really like masochistic.

Sometimes men just go like which ethic mentioned in the game. You probably won't get everything so easily just like what you decide on landing a planet.