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I must be an absolute oldie newbie

I must be an absolute oldie newbie

Can we talk?

I bought GC2 off the shelf the day it was placed on it. I played the beginner level, and as predicted I won without a sinlge issue. So I elevated myself to the rank of normal. and I have yet to win a game. Ok We all know the game cheats, as a way to counter the effects of our ability to strategically think, but this is rediculous. Just about every civ out researches me, and I have all the bonuses and 2 starbases mining research. I have research academies, and they are still using level one or two labs. What gives?
And they all go to war with me no matter how much I try to keep them on my good side. They all seam to go to war with me within a few turns of each other?
In my last game I was being attacked by the Altarians. My soldiering was 45 his was 10 I think, my tech was 75000 his was 20000. He attacked me with 1000 troops versus my 5000. he won without losing even half of his troops. What am I doing wrong here?

In the game I am playing now the torians have 6051000 influence points I have 600000 influence points. The problem is that I have 2 influence starbases, and all but 2 influence techs, while they do not even have alliances or xeno business. We have about the same number of planets, but as you can expect the univers belongs to them. What am I doing wrong? Here is my basic game strategy. please tell me where my problem is.

1. build colony ships untill all reachable planets are inhabited.
2. build constructors with my 2nd starport and on or two others as the planets mature and get on the resources.
3. research as fast as practical, upgrading the research technology as quickly as possible.
4. Trade I do not mess with to much, but I usually build a few freighters anyway.
5. Military is not a huge priority with me, as the ships in the beginning are very weak. I usually hold off on military until can build medium ships.
6. Try to keep my alignment neutral
7. Build my planets in a balance method
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Reply #26 Top
its just based on the fact you get population bonusus for having a certian moral level is all.

i target 100% but ill settle for 75%. and since they changed the population growth in 1.1 its actualy importiant to concider now how fast your population grows.

I don't understand, what do you mean it's your weakest link? True in your example Earth would have the lowest morale, but so what? Just build morale improvements there if you really care. I wouldn't.


if you try to keep earth at a reasonable moral level then all your other smaller pop planets are under taxed to fund earths moral. and adding moral boosters is not allways a viable answer since there are huge moral hits for over crounding and moral buildings just cant keep up. the hits grow faster than the bonusus do after a certian pop point.

if it was to be fixed then all planets tax rate would be able to be set on an individual basis. that way you could have 20 billion people on earth with a 49% tax rate and 15 billion people on skybow 3 with a 69% tax rate.

the game is just set up odd in my opinion. you either have to over tax your large planets or under tax your medium, or do as i do and keep all your planets about the same population so you can max taxes empire wide.


to really see this in action , the next time you get a tripple food tile on your home world, use it. put a farm on it and see how huge the moral differences can be from a large population plant to a mid size planet can get due to over crouding. to keep earth at even 50% moral your taxes have to be at less than 30% or you have to build nothing but moral boosters along with that one farm.

it makes all the farm bonus tiles almost worthless. since the way the tax system works you cant really adjust to the differences between low pop worlds and high pop worlds. your either over taxing or under taxing.

in my opinion the tax rates should either be adjustable on each individual planet (like moral is now), or the moral should NOT be based on each individual planet but rather empire wide (like the tax rate is now).


It's MORALE not MORAL.
Reply #27 Top
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

Moral: The underlining meaning of the story.
Morals: A persons ethical values
Morale: Fighting spirit, happiness, trust in the government, etc

THEY ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE.

Gah!
Reply #28 Top
One of the best things to keep the AI at bay is on any planet that you can build 3-4 food farms do it. What I generally try to do for building up a planet is the following..

3 -4 Farms
Starport
2 Factories up to 5 factories if possible
3 Research
1 - 2 trade centers
2 Happiness buildings

The farms are key to getting alot of people on your planets fast don't worry about happiness much just keep your approval rating at 54 or more. once you've gotten about 12 colonies started your research should allow you to already be able to build defenders ( and thunders especially) on all your planets. Generally by the time that I have reached 7 planets I'm already getting gifts from races because I outnumber them. in my current game there are 5 other civs discovered so far ( everything is randomed..) the largest one is like 179647 voters I'm already sitting pretty with 588,341 voters. I just now started putting the defenders and now the thunders into my planets for defense. traveled the route up to democracy, massive hulls, Expert Logistics, Graviton II ( going for my Shredder now.. ) Then I'll research the alignment thingy and go Evil ( so I can get my Shredder) and lay waste to the Civs that are too small to compete. All the while I keep getting these 500bc - 1500bc gifts from the smaller races because I have not swatted them out of the cosmos.. this all done with just 1 trade route because before I outnumbered them they did that stupid vote to limit evil races trade. Wish we could revote on issues. I think that I am powerful enuff to actually leave the U. P. but that says you can no longer use trade ( not that it matters in this instance but I don't know if that also means I can't trade with the minor races yet.. never tested that out...)
I've have made maybe 3 planets primarily Embassy Planets with 3 - 4 embassy's each. Once I have my Shredder I'll go after the Point Defense stuff and finallly planet invasion.

But it really seems to look like if you outnumber them with people your going to be safe from them at least untill they get over the fear factor.

Reply #29 Top
I would say there is a 95% chance that your opponent with all of the overwhelming influence has control of one or two influence resources. These dramatically affect influence levels. If you control two of them, then your opponents will start falling to your influence without you doing anything about it.
Reply #30 Top
Thank you for all the comments. I located a number of mistakes was making First. I went back to the tutorial. I discovered that the production bar was based on 100% production. I had thought that since it defaulted to 50% that that was normal production and anything over that was overdriving the economy, costing me a lot of money. Of course now I realize that the reason everyone else was producing and researching so fast was that I was functioning at half my production rate. Fixed that for sure.

I have also adjusted my military. Though I still paly a bit on the defensive side, I have ships tootling about as a show of force.
I am also using freighters to boost my income.

As far as the cheating goes. I upgraded to 1.1 and it appears to have stopped, or I did not notice it. One of the things I was noticing was that the AIs were making capitols. The problem was that they did not have the tech to produce them.

That all said my current game is going well, and I am again in an influence battle with the torians, but I will take care of them ...
Reply #31 Top
Are you sure?
Some of races have at start tech to get Manuf. Capitol, like Yor (the oridinary Factory tech).
Reply #32 Top
Yeah, like p22 said other races have different starting techs and can, if they wish, build capitals on week one.

And in 1.1 normal got dumbed down, but it never cheated. You're now cheating it even more