Nooooo!!! I should have read that trade screen.

I started a new game, on a large galaxy, with all races enabled and set to challenging. Planets and Habitable planets were both set to uncommon, but other options were in their default positions. I picked the Terrans.

When the game began, I was starting in the southern corner. My immediate neighbours were the Vor and the Drengin, and the only star system not already inside their borders had no habitable planets. However, Earth had a +700% Manufacturing bonus on one tile, so I decided to give it a go and see what happened.

4 economic starbases and many weeks later, Earth was a massive producer of 'stuff'. I was a little behind in tech, but I had just enough ships to take out any Drengin fleets and defenders I encountered. I was researching Planetary Invasion, and had about 3 or 4 weeks to wait before I could crank out some transports...

...and that's when the Vor demanded tribute. They had been conquering some nearby races and were larger than the Drengin. I wasn't sure if my production could cope with that kind of war, so I decided to accept. That's when I spotted "Earth" out of the corner of my eye, but it was too late. My brain had already told my finger to click. I had just enough time to mentally scream "Nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!" before the deal was done.

All I had left was Mars, which wasn't in very good shape. I didn't have enough money to rush build any factories, or the population to build enough transports.

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Ouch. BTW, you didn't colonize anything but Mars? ^ ^;
Look on the bright side, you won't be making that mistake again anytime soon.
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AAAAAAAwwwww mate that is just harsh to say the least! You should always do what the Kaiidan Imperium do when someone makes a demand of us. Take their planets off their hands and reduce their homeworld to ashes. That ensures all other races know not to make demands in future.

The last fool to try that was the Korx, they lasted all of 2 months until my warlanders dropped 3 billion troops on their homeworld.

Emperor Jovien Kai
Kaiidan Imperium
Founder of the Grand Imperium
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And that is why you save.

Not autosave, but manual save, under a different filename, frequently.
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I've had my shares of tributes as well...
One day I thought I'll use my galactic powers to get some new slaves. So I start talking to the Thalans, who were weakest in the galax at that point. I wanted them to surrender to me, so I chose the Option 'surrender' from the diplomacy options.

Imagine my suprise, when in the next screen the Thalans thanked me and greatfully accepted my surrender...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

@Devs: Why is there the option to surrender? Is anybody not playing to their last dying breath?
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They get the "Bite me" response from me.

I tried paying it once or twice just to see what would happen. They attacked sooner rather than later.
If you pay you lose respect. They figure you are afraid of them.
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Emperor Jovien Kai
Kaiidan Imperium
Founder of the Grand Imperium


Sometimes I worry about people's grip on reality with regards to this game....
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I know. I know.

I was having to much fun to save...
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I also fell for the 'surrender mistake' in my second game, but then I did it to a MINOR race.....

Indeed it is illogical to surrender to the AI! I would like the option to demand HIS surrender!


On the demands of tribute etc. I usually think the 'tribute requests' from my enemies are sooooo funny!

"Greetings future slaveling...."

Why do I think its funny?

I usually have 2 to 4 spare transports in orbit around my core (population) worlds and I do my weapons research in bursts (phasors I upto VII right to plasmaweapons, from stinger to harpoon or photonic torpedo) without upgrading shipdesigns in between. Vessels I start producing for a war are like "mk6" compared to the current "mk1"vessels in my fleet. Including switching production tot new starships on my core production worlds and upgrading some older versions it usually takes me 2 to 3 turns to surprise the alien-that-dared-uttering-demands with an armada that invades a complete system and destroys a resource starbase or two in one single turn....



It would be cool though if you could have a multiple choice selection in replying in the diplomacy screen (each having its own repercussion on relations)

A - butt ofcourse oh great Korx leader (positve humble)

B- allrighty, but please don't ask again (positive, reluctant polite)

C - I'm affraid that our current efforts exclude a proposition like this today. In the futre we..... (negative polite)

D - Eat sh*t and die, you treehugging Korx piece of sh*t (negative insulting)
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For some reason the Thalans have been the only ones arrogant/stupid enough to demand tribute from me in the last two games. Lets see: I'm leading in production, research, economy and influence and 5th (out of 6) in military. They demand tribute when we both are too far away to do anything but send scouts at each other.

Needless to say the Thalans were scoffed at and were conqured a couple months later after I switched to military production and sent advance constructors to pave the way. The Thalans never learn.
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Aliens bluff poorly
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i got congratulated for being a "cheese eating surrender monkey" last night, for agreeing to pay tribute.
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I never give in to demands... I always reject, and then return with a demand of my own....

I wish there was an option to let the demander know to go fly a kite.... and I wish we had some lines where we could demand stuff or immediatly go to war.. I hate it that the AI is the only one who has that.....
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@Devs: Why is there the option to surrender? Is anybody not playing to their last dying breath?


I have surrendered to a minor race because I was losing badly to the Dren. I knew I wouldn't last, so I gave the minor everything and in my mind they went on to own the galaxy
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@Devs: Why is there the option to surrender? Is anybody not playing to their last dying breath?


I kind of wondered this as well. If it is only there for the AI to utilize, why can it do things that players don't have access to like warning about another race, etc. Not that I feel the need to be able to do so since I wouldn't expect the AI to act on it, but receiving such a message helps with emersion as well as hinting at the AIs' intentions. Just don't know why we would have access to one option and not the other when they are similarly 'useless' to us.
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i got congratulated for being a "cheese eating surrender monkey" last night, for agreeing to pay tribute.


Thats ace, I'm going too give in all the time till someone calls me that.
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I too feel that the diplomacy screen is lacking. Right now, for the player, it's pretty much about trade and treaty. We can't suggest to other races the Race "X" is a threat, and it would be great if they chipped in. We can't demand the surrender of race. We can't respond cleverly to tribute demands, although in my mind, my diplomat rolls his eyes and walks out of the room or hangs up the Galactaphone when I click the "Reject" button.

It's gotta be built into the system already; how else would the AI be using it? Maybe in 1.2

I've surrendered three times. The first surrender was an accidental one to a minor race. The second was just a game I grew bored with. The last, I was being attacked on two fronts by the two largest and most militarily powerful civs. I was holding the line until I lost a gambit for a planetary strike. My invasion fleet was wiped out and I lost a key production world. I saw the writing on the wall at that point and played for another 1/2 year before surrendering to a race weaker than I was to screw the aggressors.
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You can demand tribute, but only from civs where your relations are at "Neutral" or worse. If your relations are "Warm" or better, it comes across as a polite request for some supplies. Kinda irritating when I'm demanding the Drengin stop beating on the Drath, only to have them act like I asked for $20 to go to the movies. : o