To the op and other gramma nazi's, how about you guys post in perfect German,Spanish or French and then we can talk. Considering most of you can probally only speak 1 language I really don't think you should even open your bloody mouth.

Sure hope you don't travel a lot.

Besides as for typing on a bloody internet forum goes....why should people even bother to make sure there are no spelling errors I gotta do that 24/7 at work so no reason to bother in my free time.

And yeah I am in Canada not born here but that don't really matter. Never understood you gramma nazi's and the urge you get for flaming people on a internet forum.

This thread is insane. I will therefore post in it.

Aside from dyslexia, there are a host of other ailments that can cause problem of this nature. I know first hand. I not only have problems with spelling and punctuation, but also maintain a thought line. If I get on a "roll" I am staying focused on the point of the topic and if someone can't understand the point of the post through a couple of typos and misspelled words then they have more serious problems than I. If I am not sure about a word, I look it up, but not everyone keeps a lexicon next to their desk. So I must put myself in the camp of the unwashen heathens because sometimes, I make typing errorS......... AND DON'T GIVE A SHIT!

As for Skyjack, I just lost two relatives to cancer. Thank you for you insensitivity regarding a very serious and debilitating disease. Perhaps you try and work on your creative skills a little more and not so much on gramatical correctness. You're not even worth a good example to set you on the right path.

While it does come across as being somewhat trivial, it is hard to take people's posts seriously when they're obviously not paying any attention to their grammar or spelling, and much of the time you really can tell by the nature of such mistakes whether English is their first language.

Yeah, this isn't an English essay forum, but if you want other people to read what you have to say, it's not much to ask that you put a little effort into it. Especially if it's a message you're hoping one of the developers might read.

This thread is hilarious. Thank you all for coming. Especially those that have taken it way too seriously.

To my colleague, svalin, for whom college has made strong in the ways of the aggregate, I concur with the gentleman of post #24, LuXinhui. Moral and morale aren't pronounced similarly so your Chomsky meme doesn't apply.

To the rest of my opponents, this is about standards.

I've upped my standards. Now up yours.

Hmmm... let's see... I've written the following letter based upon this post:

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To the grammarly concerned,

First of all, they're many reasons for typos. Some of that is ignorance, yes, but MOST of mine comes from very long posts, that, given the length, I would never be able to catch them all, no matter how hard I might try... but perhaps not so successfully, probably. There all honest and innocent mistakes (really!), but why must you insult me so? Perhaps one day, when you make a typo, I will be sure to take proof and remind you about you're mistake until you die. It's like you have no morale, in which case, I wish you'd fall into a whole 6-feet deep to. Please stay their for a wild and think over your actions! Not like it matters anyways, because it's a mute point.
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Have fun! (Please don't have a heart attack)

On the internet you exist as text (and assorted internet slang acronyms) so it is actually worth while IMHO to run a post through a spell check and at least a quick review. It is more important to write sensibly and respectfully. I don't get that worked up about spelling and grammar.

I don't get that worked up about spelling and grammar.

... and hence why you have completely missed the point of my post (you might want to read it again, really carefully this time). A spell checker would never have found those.

I've just learned to put up with people's spelling. When you take into account that many people don't speak English as a first language and also that the American pulbic school system is grossly inadequete at teaching anything it's really no surprise that 3/4 of the people on the internet don't know the difference between your and you're. It's just something you really have to deal with if you want to read forums because you're not going to be able to educate the entire internet on it.

Having said that though I will take a lot more notice of a post that has correct spelling and decent grammar, why? From experience I've come to realise that posts with good spelling and grammar often come with good arguments and interesting analysis. While it's true that there have been insightful posts with terrible spelling, it's fairly rare, and in my many years visiting forums it's become glaringly apparent that poor spelling is almost always found in the company of poor arguments, irrelevent information and most of all insults and flames.

What I do find funny though is whenever there's a post about English or grammar there's inevitably a guy who has to immediately load up thesaurus.com and construct a post comprised of unnecessarily long words and overly acedemic sentences in an deliberate attempt to obfuscate the meaning of what they're trying to say and therefore sound intelligent and/or funny.

I was going to do it myself but I got bored after "obfuscate" and ended up just writing a normal post.

For the people hoping to work for Stardock: Inability to spell does not reflect intelligence but IT DOES reflect your ability to get a line of code written properly the first time.

As a graduate in English language i would like to point out to the nice gentleman that the above sentence is incorrect. It should read like this: -

'For the people hoping to work for Stardock: Inability to spell does not reflect ONES intelligence but it does reflect ONES ability to WRITE A LINE OF CODE CORRECTLY the first time.'

Seen as you were making the point in the first place i thought you should be made aware of this.

Have a nice day

Svalin and Darth Griffin.... good job guys - I hate grammar and spelling Nazis..... and I'm an English teacher!

I can personally find 4 grammatical errors in the original post (*you are all*).... but, of course, it is perfectly understandable so why would I need to complain?

Teh morale off these story are: Politer is importanter than gooder grammer.

And on the subject of spelling..... to offer a quote regarding the nature of the English language

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

Re: Griffin

Properly versus correctly?! You jest.

Ones? That's not a pronoun. The people that use "ones" as a pronoun are politically-correct ivory tower lemmings with terminal cranio-rectal inversion.

Furthermore, I believe it's "one's" as in "one's intelligence". Don't quote me on that because I never use that pseudo-pronoun.

You're the English expert.

To the growing community of illiteracy apologists:

Here's your problem: People should give their best shot at writing properly. And, yes, that's "properly" because this is an overall effort. I am right. You are convoluted. How can you defend these idiots? Do you really believe that French or Spanish or our lovely German friends are going to be kind to people that massacre their language?

If you are truly concerned with the rights of the illiterate, point out their mistakes. Real friends tell you when your shit stinks.

...or our lovely German friends are going to be kind to people that massacre their language?

At least those with a 3-digit IQ. And now STFU.

This is a very entertainining discussion!

First: the OP needs to learn that any valid comments made were lost when the post became a death threat rant.
Second: In the last 12+ years of being on the internet I have observed that people would rather be economical in their typing rather than have a "nice looking" post. By that I refer to the "short speak," or "internet slang" that used to be common in chat rooms, IM's, etc. when people were trying to communicate at vocal speeds using text. Over the years, that common use has naturally migrated the slang into forums and emails. Half the time I find a non-native English speaker posts a more communicative message than a native speaker using text shortcuts.

In the end it's about communication. If the idea is communicated then most people don't care if it was spelled properly. I will agree that presentation does account for something and a "properly" written post may garner more attention than one written with shortcuts, but if a message is conveyed sucessfully then both methods are equally valid.

Having said that, if newspapers start filling up with text shortcuts because it's a more economical use of typeset, then I will have an issue!

To the growing community of illiteracy apologists: Here's your problem: People should give their best shot at writing properly. And, yes, that's "properly" because this is an overall effort. I am right. You are convoluted. How can you defend these idiots? Do you really believe that French or Spanish or our lovely German friends are going to be kind to people that massacre their language? If you are truly concerned with the rights of the illiterate, point out their mistakes. Real friends tell you when your shit stinks.

Number 1) It's hardly illiteracy... you understand what they are saying, therefore they have successfully communicated.

Number 2) I am not apologising for anyone.... there's no need as they haven't done anything wrong. Nor am I apologising for you ,who is the only one that needs to make amends.

Number 3) It's not "our" problem.... it's yours. You are the one who felt the need to spew this diatribe against an international community. The only reason it is our problem is that you are making it so. We are just sticking up for common decency and toleration.

Number 4) Who are you to judge whether people are giving their "best shot" at writing given the range of possible levels of education and differences in mother tongue here? Given your initial post, a reminder of the saying "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" might be appropriate.

Number 5) You are not right.

Number 6) They aren't idiots. You are just massing people who either can't spell or who don't take immaculate care over their messages on a forum to indicate their level of intelligence.... this ultimately only makes you look the fool.

Number 7) Do you speak German, Spanish or French? If you do (doesn't seem likely from your intolerance) then how would you feel if you went on a German/Spanish/French forum and, although people understood you perfectly well, instead of taking your meaning they actually called you an idiot and told you to go die? Very constructive criticism.

Number 8) The rights of the illiterate? Hmm, think you are going way off tangent now huh? There clearly isn't anyone here who is illiterate, unless they have someone literate reading and responding for them.

Number 9) Wow, I think you might be nearing understanding. See... they're not your friends... you are being an asshole to a bunch of strangers. If they were your friends and you used such constructive rectifications as "go die", I doubt even your friends would want your help.


Anyway, I have now thoroughly taken your angst away from the innocent, non perfect spellers on our forum and directed it squarely against me. So enjoy yourself flaming me!

I blame George W. Bush and publik edukashun.

As a graduate in English language i would like to point out to the nice gentleman that the above sentence is incorrect. It should read like this: - 'For the people hoping to work for Stardock: Inability to spell does not reflect ONES intelligence but it does reflect ONES ability to WRITE A LINE OF CODE CORRECTLY the first time.'

PISSY

God your pissy,

And aparently a jack ass to, take your gramer and shove it up your own ass!

And if you cant spell right 92-93% In your posts we, WE, shuld send you to iran then nuke it all, NUKE IT ALL,with you there


Dammit still wont show-

Evil Hedgehog: You are slamming a post that was slamming the OP for slamming poor grammar. Taken in full context, it was rather funny.

Let me get this straight, Spearthrower: I have yet to make any errors in this thread. Therefore, it "sounds like" I don't know another language? Exactly how did you reach that assumption?

I'm not against the concept. Basically, people who can't spell "sound like" they can't speak English.



This just in... Scourg has announced a third method of death for the illiterate and their sympathizers: Forced exile to Iran to experience a subsequent nuclear rain.

Add that to Skyjack's lymphoma suggestion and my half-hearted, general sort of death suggestion.

Let me get this straight, Spearthrower: I have yet to make any errors in this thread. Therefore, it "sounds like" I don't know another language? Exactly how did you reach that assumption?

So, Wheeloffire...there were 9 points in Spearthrower's post; you have an issue only with him assuming you are an English - only speaker?

Spearthrower: Wheeloffire is obviously "wounded prey." I don't think Wheel's capable of defending against opposing opinions. At the least, I don't think Wheel is interested in defending against opposing opinions...unless there's a good opportunity to intensify the flame.

Very silly thread.

Wounded prey? Excuse me for not caring enough.

I'll tackle Spearthrower's other points for fun:

1) The message getting through to me doesn't disqualify the messenger from being illiterate.

2) See point #1. You are an apologist for the illiterate. You see yourself as a sort of Che Guevara locked in urban combat on Sesame Street in a war for a more egalitarian, lowest common denominator, "pan-ignorance" society.

3) Non-native speakers were ruled out of this discussion in the beginning.

4) Writing is not so difficult that 90% cannot be expected. Anything less is laziness. If you have something important to share, do it right. What do you think the "edit" function is for?

5) I've been wrong once. It's because I thought I was wrong but I was right. It's a heavy cross to carry.

6) They aren't idiots? How would I know? They certainly aren't making a case for intellect. Maybe you're right and they simply have no pride.

7) See post #45.

8) Huh? The illiterate posting for the illiterate? Who did you say was on a tangent?

9) I thought my original post was funny.

Happy now, Skelton42?

Yep... thought that would "stir the pot."

**THIS THREAD NOT INTENDED FOR NON-ENGLISH-FIRST PEOPLE**

First of all, IF ENGLISH is NOT your FIRST LANGUAGE, this thread is not for you...move on, you are EXEMPT.

If English IS your first language, and you don't know the difference between TOO, TO, and TWO, please cease to exist. (die)

If English IS your first language and you can't use THERE, THEY'RE and THEIR in the correct context, please drunk-drive into a tree.

Nobody is looking for perfect grammar or spelling. Even I make the occasional mistak However, when you see a guy from Pennsylvania write, "Go over to they're territory and attack there planet!", I pray that he'llback over his own spawn (kids) and spare us all the future agony and embarrasment.

**THIS THREAD NOT INTENDED FOR NON-ENGLISH-FIRST PEOPLE**