This Is Ridiculous

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I'd be playing Galactic Civilizations 2 right now instead of posting this if the game didn't crash every 15 minutes and have bugs coming out its *ss. This is one of many reasons why PC gaming is on its death bed. If this is what passes for "quality" and "customer oriented" then it's no wonder PC games makes up a measly 15% of the gaming market now.

Next time, finish your game before shipping it to retail (or releasing it on the web for that matter.) And no, don't ask me to be patient and to wait for patches or to be helpful and post bug reports on your website. We are not your beta testers. We pay money for what is supposed to be your FINISHED PRODUCT, not so we can wait around for it to be finished or help you finish it.
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Reply #1 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
FYI, the vast majority of crashes are a result of problems on the user's end: Old drivers, overheating videocards, bad pagefile settings, etc. And those crashes have only affected a small portion of the userbase; most, including me, have not seen a single crash at all in the release version or any of the following builds.

If you don't want to help us help you, there's not much point in posting here; feel free to go get a refund if you think it's that bad. We can't help those who don't want to be helped. If you do care, then perhaps you could post your system specs, whether you're playing the initial release or the latest patch (or somewhere in between), etc, and we can figure out the cause of your problems.
Reply #2 from GalCiv2 Forums Top

You'll note that the forum isn't full of crash reports and other such issues.

Perhaps you could tell us a little bit mroe about your system. Posting your debug.err would be a good start.

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Reply #3 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I do have sympathy for anyone that is having any kind of issues with any games these days. I purchased Civilization IV and was incredibly disappointed by Crash to Desktop bugs, completely broken for a large base of folks till the first patch was released.

But Frogboy is right on the money (naturally) telling us what is going wrong can help us troubleshoot your problems and get you up and running.
Reply #4 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm not nearly as concerned about the crashing as I am about the dozens upon dozens of bugs I've already encountered in the game. The crashing is something you would expect to be cleared up either by updating your drivers or by a patch released soon after the game. But to release the game with this many gameplay bugs just makes me furious. I've tried a couple huge-galaxy style games and after 10 game years or so the game just becomes unplayable due to a number of issues, many of which have already been reported in this forum.

I've got a 700% production planet I can't build a star port anymore making it effectively useless. I have a Galactic Law that works the exact opposite way it supposed to, taxing me thousands of BC for enemies sticking their starbases in my terrirtory, instead of taxing them and basically ruining my entire economy in the process. That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Here's my error report, for all the good it will do.....

I'm sure I have a nice 3-6 month wait until this game is actually playable.


Debug Message: Version v1.0X.1 last updated on: Mon Mar 6 13:57:14 2006
Debug Message: Could not find a TGN Serial No.
Debug Message: *********DXDiag info follows.*********
System Info
Time: 3/12/2006, 12:22:01
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
Machine Name: HERETIC
Operating System: Windows 2000 Professional (5.0, Build 2195) Service Pack 4
Languages: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
System Model: System Product Name
BIOS: BIOS Date: 02/17/05 20:34:41 Ver: 08.00.09
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz (2 CPUs), ~3.0GHz
Physical Memory: 2048MB RAM
Page File: 152MB used, 4811MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINNT


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Display device 1:
Device Name: \\.\DISPLAY1
Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip Type: GeForce4 MX 4000
DAC Type: Integrated RAMDAC
Key Device: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0185&SUBSYS_93621462&REV_C1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Display Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Monitor Max Resolution: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7189
Driver Date: 4/1/2005 15:16:00
DirectX Acceleration Enabled: Yes



Sound info
Sound device 1:
Description: Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0007&SUBSYS_10061102&REV_00
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Driver Name: P17.sys
Provider: Creative Technology Ltd.
Driver Version: 5.12.0001.0314
Driver Date: 6/4/2004 03:27:46
Type: WDM
Other Drivers:
Acceleration Level: 3
Cap Flags: 0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0

Sound device 1:
Description: Modem #0 Line Playback (emulated)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 81
Driver Name:
Provider:
Driver Version:
Driver Date:
Type: Emulated
Other Drivers:
Acceleration Level: 2
Cap Flags: 0
Min/Max Sample Rate: 0, 0



Debug Message: *********END dxdiag info.*********
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Debug Message: ******* Starting Game Shell *******
Debug Message: Going Fullscreen
Debug Message: Preparing to change display settings.
Debug Message: Using multilsample setting: D3DMULTISAMPLE_NONMASKABLE
Debug Message: Game Resolution: 1024 x 768
Debug Message: Running fullscreen.
Debug Message: HAL (sw vp): NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000
Debug Message: D3DPRESENT_INTERVAL_DEFAULT
Debug Message: Refresh rate: 60
Debug Message: Bit Depth: 32 bit.
Debug Message: *********Checking D3DDevice Caps***********************
Debug Message: A full-color cursor is supported in hardware at high resolution modes.
Debug Message: RGB in format 6:6:6, Masks reported as ff0000:ff00:ff
Debug Message: Now Fullscreen
Debug Message: Shell initialization complete
Debug Message: ***** Initializing Game *****
Debug Message: Timer Frequency is 0 b3384790
Debug Message: Initializing sound card.
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Debug Message: Create setup screens.
Debug Message: Clear galaxy settings.
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Debug Message: Clear sector mapper.
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Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
Debug Message: No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\*.StarSystems
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for PirateShip. ***
*DEBUG ERROR: ***Unable to find required tech ImpossibleTech for Starbase. ***
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Debug Message: Reading Star Names
Debug Message: Reading Star Names... Done
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Debug Message: Clear data definitions.
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Debug Message: Max num techs: 248
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Debug Message: Loading ENDGALAXYDATA
Debug Message: Updating ZOC.
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Debug Message: DomesticWnd: Cannot find OBJID Domestic_Government_Tab
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Debug Message: Destroying ship Constructor M14-6 4852. Orbiting: 0
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Debug Message: Destroying ship Defender M10-6 2331. Orbiting: 1
Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Rhea III
Debug Message: Destroying ship Defender M9-3 2279. Orbiting: 1
Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Kievi III
Debug Message: Destroying ship Troop Transport M10-8 2883. Orbiting: 1
Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Tacitus V
Debug Message: Random Event: Begin
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Debug Message: Altarian Republic (2): Researching: Habitat Improvement
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Debug Message: Updating ZOC.
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Debug Message: Election
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Debug Message: Federalists running for re-election...
Debug Message: AI: Drengin Empire blackmailed Jessuins. But they were too poor to pay so relations have deteriorated!
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Debug Message: Destroying ship Defender M11-1 2996. Orbiting: 1
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ASSERT ERROR in file .\Source\Starship.cpp at line 5311.
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Debug Message: Random Event: Begin
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Debug Message: Federalists running for re-election...
Debug Message: Yearly Status Dialog
Debug Message: Yearly Status Dialog 8d
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Container_9
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Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Portrait_9
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Logo_9
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Votes_Title_9
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Votes_Value_9
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Container_10
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Name_Title_10
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Portrait_10
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Logo_10
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Votes_Title_10
Debug Message: UnitedPlanetsWnd: Cannot find OBJID UP_Race_Votes_Value_10
Debug Message: AI: Drengin Empire blackmailed Jarkians for $ 123!
Debug Message: Deleting previous save game.
Debug Message: About to auto save.
Debug Message: Save Game: About to save
Debug Message: Saving game C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\AutoSave.sav
Debug Message: Num Sectors Across: 18
Debug Message: Max num techs: 248
Debug Message: Total tech data size: 147504 Max tech size: 1891
Debug Message: Total improvement db size: 62512
Debug Message: Component defs data size: 414392
Debug Message: Total ship class data size: 557086 Max ship class data size: 667
Debug Message: No files found matching mask C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents\My Games\GalCiv2\ships\s*_UD_*.shipcfg
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Debug Message: Total anomaly types data: 17300, Max anomaly type size: 692
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Debug Message: FOW data: 328460
Debug Message: ZOC data: 2828
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Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Thuban I
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Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Heinlein I
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Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Vitellius II
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Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Dratha
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Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Paulos I
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Debug Message: Random Event: Checking for Rebels
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Debug Message: Deleting previous save game.
Debug Message: About to auto save.
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Debug Message: Max num techs: 248
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Debug Message: Total improvement db size: 62512
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Debug Message: Destroying ship Fighter M12-4 3049. Orbiting: 1
Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Wodan I
Debug Message: Destroying ship Fighter M12-1 2979. Orbiting: 1
Debug Message: Was Orbiting: Petroni I
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Debug Message: Random Event: Begin
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Debug Message: Election
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Debug Message: Federalists running for re-election...
Reply #5 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Your post is utter nonsense. Galciv 2 doesn't have bugs "coming out if its *ss" as you so eloquently put it. Many people have been playing this game without any major problems like crashes or freezes. Those who did solved their problems by updating old graphics drivers, increasing the size of their page file, or upping the color depth. Notice that these are factors beyond Stardock's control. Before you write some idiotic post on this forum complaining, maybe you should use the time to read the sticky threads or email their support staff and put some effort into troubleshooting.
Reply #6 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Hmm...
I have an up to date pc, with up to date drivers, and havent experienced one single bug or crash.

So, from where I am standing, GREAT JOB ON AN OUTSTANDINGLY STABLE GAME!!!!!

Its always interesting to see people instantly assume the game is horrible because thier pc wont run it.

No, I am not accusing anyone of anything, Im sure the people in this post have great pc's with brand new drivers.

I am also sure that this would be the exception rather than the rule.
Reply #7 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Hmm... you do know that your video driver, if I'm reading that report correctly, is nearly a year old right? You MIGHT want to update like every faq and technical support post I've seen says to do.
Reply #8 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
(response to "theboogeyman")

It most certainly does have bugs coming out of its *ss. Hundreds of gameplay bugs that aren't going to be fixed by any driver update or upping the color depth.

How complete your game is when you ship it is COMPLETELY under Stardocks control.

Stop blindly defending a game developer and pull your head out. You can be a fan and still be critical.
Reply #9 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Card Name: NVIDIA GeForce4 MX 4000

That's an old card. Could be the source of your problems.
Reply #10 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm not touching your bugs comments, but your video driver is 11 months old.

Looks like you are using this one Link

When you should be using this one Link
Reply #11 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Updating the video driver will probably alleviate at least some of the crashing, but as I said above, I'm really more angry about the gameplay bugs.

Until they're fixed, theres no reason for me to play again.
Reply #12 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yes I too noticed that. The latest Nvidia driver is dated Feb. 7, 2006.
Update and crash no more.

New Signature:

I want $10 for every person person who posts about bugs w/o updated drivers and another $10 from everyone who complains about the AI being a gimp and they play easy level. That way I can surpass Bill Gates as the richest man.
Reply #13 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Sigh. Yet another one of these. This is getting old.
Reply #14 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Well your graphics card driver is a year old. Your soundcard driver is over 2 years old (and Live cards have caused me more compatability problems than anything else in the histroy of PC ownership. CLabs went rapidly downhill after the AWE32). Updating those would be a good place to start.

You don't exactly have a great gaming PC there, but with up-to-date drivers you'll probably be stable.
Reply #15 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yes I too noticed that. The latest Nvidia driver is dated Feb. 7, 2006.
Update and crash no more.

New Signature:

I want $10 for every person person who posts about bugs w/o updated drivers and another $10 from everyone who complains about the AI being a gimp and they play easy level. That way I can surpass Bill Gates as the richest man.
Reply #16 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yes Featauril, PC game developers releasing incomplete games is indeed getting old.

But since I know you were referring to my complaints, I'll just remind you that if you DON'T bring these things up, then there's no reason for Stardock to improve their methods and to do a better job of releasing a complete game in the future.
Reply #17 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Ok, for everyone whos posting about the video driver and didn't read the thread :

I'm aware my video driver is old, and I already said the crashing isn't nearly as problematic as the bugs in the actual gameplay.

And for people who don't have even a basic understanding of game design :

Updating your video driver or video card doesn't solve gameplay bugs. Only Stardock can do that.

Thank you.
Reply #18 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Whats rediculous is your post and the sh!tbox computer that you have. Go buy a dell if you cant build one right. The game is rock solid for me and most other folks.
Reply #19 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I bet you are fun at partys!!
Reply #20 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Thank you, captain obvious.

However the first and most obvious complaint in your post "it crashes every 15 minutes" is mostly if not entirely down to yourself. Unfortunately Stardock are not able to remotely keep your drivers at least halfway up-to-date, and I'm sure you'd complain if they broke into your house to do so while you were sleeping.

I've been playing it since the first day and I have encountered exactly zero crashes.

As for your other issues, you didn't mention a single one in your original misdirected rant. Your 2nd post included two possible bugs. That's hardly bugs coming out of anyone's a**.

Also although there are numerous bugs in the retail version of the game, there are significantly fewer today, and will be significantly fewer next week. You have the actual devs here listening to feedback and fixing things communicating directly with their customers. That's amlost unheard of! There are hundreds of other bigger and smaller games that have more serious and more numberous bugs at launch that are fixed FAR FAR slower.

Anyway, I guess you had to get whatever it was off your chest. I hope you feel better now.
Reply #21 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
"I bet you are fun at partys!!"

You posted that second comment after you realized how stupid the first one was right? Or maybe you really think gameplay bugs ARE fixed by getting a better video card?

Start a huge galaxy game with all of the AI opponenets and play for 10-15 game years. You'll see how "rock solid" the game is.
Reply #22 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm aware my video driver is old


The bottom line question is "have you tried changing out that old driver yet?" In other words, are you specifically resisting trying something that may help solve your issue for a reason you can list here or have you tried this and it did not help. Either way, posting what came of the advice of those trying to help you will go a long way toward helping your issue be solved and I think will defuse some of the rancor generated in the thread.
Reply #23 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Yes "Monkey Pants" I did need to get it off my chest, and so will anyone who actually cares about PC gaming.

The reason I only listed two bugs was because those were the biggest two that screwed my last game, there were literally dozens and dozens more that I noticed as I played.

Am I actually going to write them down and post them here? No, as I said above ITS NOT MY JOB. I shouldnt have to; the bugs shouldnt exist when I buy the retail version. I don't want to "talk with the developers", and I don't want to be on this forum full of people with their collective head up their ass. I want to play the damn game I bought.

The misdirected rant is that of the person who's defending Stardock. Apparently what I'm saying isn't so "obvious" since you haven't figured it out yet.

To hell with this, perhaps I'll just do what the smart people did and get my money back. I can buy it again when its a budget title and hopefully the game will actually be finished by then.
Reply #24 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
In an attempt to play the diplomat here...... Hereticked, can you be more specific, i.e. list bugs you've encountered. The couple you mentioned I have never seen posted here before so I would like some more details. In honesty, I have played through at least 10 games huge/gigantic and never had such significant bugs that totally broke the game.

That said, yes there are bugs.... some big ones... bigger than the Thalans! but I think your method of expressing it probably got some peoples backs up.

On the other hand there was really no need for any personal cracks at this guy for expressing his opinion. He might have had some bugs that are not located yet, so give him a break.

And stop telling him to update his graphics drivers!!

And Hereticked, to explain some of these reactions in case you havent read through the forum much. Generally there is a LOT of satisfaction with this game, but there seems to be a rash of idiots who register, flame and make huge accusations based upon nothing but their opinions, try to tell how it should be made just like MOO2, shout shit at everyone and who generally refuse to be helped or mollified in any way.

Just trying to give everyone the picture here!


*You have built Diplomatic Translators, your diplomacy skills have increased* w00teh!
Reply #25 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
I'm using an old card, a GeForce4 Ti 4600 to be exact, and it works fine with up-to-date drivers. You don't have to have new equipment. You just have to keep the drivers current. Updates to driver software is normal for any device and companies that produce hardware often work with game companies and others to provide fixes to glitches caught in the course of play or program operation.

The key with all of this, of course, is that the end user (you, Citizen Hereticked) must take it upon yourself to keep yourself current. If you do not feel comfortable or competent to do so, I am sure there are services in your area that would be glad to help you out.