Idle hammers not converted to bc?

The devs decided to remove unused social spending refundage after the manual went to print, for baalnce reasons. It may make a reappearance in the coming 1.1 patch in another form, but for now any social spending not used on a project is lost.

Well, not necessarily for balance reasons, but for playability reasons. It lessens the degree to which one has to micromanage one's economy. For really powerful play one has to do that anyways, but the way things are now eases things for casual players.

The big issue was when you discovered a new civil technology. You would have your economy humming along nicely and then all of a sudden, everything is upgraded, so your economy was running massively in the red. Then it would slowly taper off. It just meant you would need to really pay attention to everything your civ was building, which was a pain and not fun, so they got rid of it.

yeah, i've noticed that. i also noticed how it takes forever to build a new planet when all you have is expensive high end stuff to put on to it. maybe a good alternative way around this would be two new game options. in Civ, you have to build a library to build a university. it's really annoying when an event happens that creates a new planet for you late game. when i'm trying to build up industry on a new planet and the only option i have is 'industrial sector', i can either spend a fortune, wait forever, or waste money cranking up social production for the rest of my empire. pretty bad options all around.

proposed solution: new governor and building options. it'd be nice if i could still build a basic factor when i've got industrial sectors developed. i can buy them cheaply. i can use them to to get a new colony's industry snowballing. it would be nice if you had to build the sectors in order, that way the development of a new colony late game would go fast, rather than slow. or what about an option to add an extra amount of funds to an individual planet's economy each year without having to go broke doing it upfront or financing? maybe add a 4th slider for "extra spending" or "diverted funds". whatever. check a box somewhere on a planet to mark it to receive the extra spending, which could work just like the hammer-and-shield points generated by industrial sectors (maybe it could also be put into reserach, i don't know). the extra funds are divided evenly among the checked planets. not too shabby.

regarding bringing back the saving of unused hammers, governor options could fix this. a simple "do not produce in the red" option could be added, and it makes sense especially since production goes to zero when you're in the red anyway. a more complicated set of options might be nice, too. there are what, 7 sector types that have upgrades? so add 7 options to determine how many of this structure type gets queued and built at once. famrs, diplomacy, morale and (less so) culture all remain pretty cheap. labs, industry and banks are pretty expensive. if you could set the AI to only work on a certain number of the expensive facilities empire-wide at a point, you could automaticlaly adjust how your economy works without too much micro management. if you say it's coming back, they probably all ready have a good solution, though.

or maybe even just a slider and/or lock on your profit and/or add profit percentage. that could work.

I really like the idea of a profit lock. I also crave the ability to set tax rates, production capacity and spending levels on a per-planet basis. I'm sure they'll never add that though, as it would be exceedingly challenging for new players to manage.

I'm not a micromanager by any means...but I do like to be able to control my economy efficiently. Sometimes that means I'd like to be able to have X social planet on Y colony be funded at Z percent while I'm fully funding some other project on some other colony that I want to get done faster.

The big issue was when you discovered a new civil technology. You would have your economy humming along nicely and then all of a sudden, everything is upgraded, so your economy was running massively in the red.

With me, there is allways something upgradeing, everywhere, well, except on the planet with manufacturing capital, so, if i want to upgrade 10 planets with 30 hammers, i must lose money because of my manufacturing 300 hammers planet? I would like to see an option to turn this off, don't want to lose so much money, atleast convert it to research and military!

I actually htink its fine if thats the way it works, but over time people are going to discover the "right" way to abuse it. I mean it "seems" like min/maxing is the best strategy now, you get a certain tech level and htne you punch your social slider way up to fill your planets with social stuff, then when you reacha critical mass of social projects finishing you slide it way down and buy the rest.

If y ou have your social slider set high and have a large amount of your empire not building social projects thats a MASSIVE amount of waste... the real question becomes at what point is that waste worht it, or is it more expensive to lose out on the bc from the waste or more expensive to buy the additional social projects ont he planets that need them. Perhaps ikts an okay game mechanic since I can't honestly answer that question.

Actually, I found a good workaround for this. Set your social spending to 0% and then set "focus - social" for the planets that still need social projects. It doesn't waste much bc.

That'll work well for planets that have a high production capacity, but for other worlds. . . not so well.