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Is the United Planets in GalCivII????

Is the United Planets in GalCivII????

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Reply #26 Top
Ähm..??? UN...ähm USA ..democracy? lol please my co-citizen of Stardock forum there is nowhere democracy ...oligachies, theocrays, rouled and manipulatet by the migthy one in every country of the world...even in germany greatbritan or france even in shwizerland ororor the capital owns the median TV, radio . press, satellits they manipulatet more smoth or more strong the meaning of the peopel more civilicatet and rich countrys make it very tence the poor and non-civilicatet states like kongo shut them to death when they don't want to follow the gouverment..even in democracys the use police to hit them away with water gummy-projectils and gas. All gouverments try to be so long on the button of might as they can use nearly everything to do this..i say only watergate.. the real might have only a very smal group worldwilde and be shure they will handle the things like they wond not like it will be good for all...the conflict between israel and the arabs who make provit from this? the conflict between GB and the IRA between Spain and ETA?
and now where the conflict between Capitalisim and Communissim is histrorie ups..there is a new contrahend appear the fanatics one mostly muslim fanatics -- christian against islamic who make this conflic's? the cartons are 6 month old and ...the conflict about them startet now..why? I am shure the most conflicts are made they are realy not nessessary but still sameone takes gasoline inside the fire why? Why people are not able to live in peace together? cheer all good things they have and fight together against the bad things they have also all..???
Reply #27 Top
I'm sorry to say that, "Lord Doom", but both with format and content your postings remind me of the datatype "byte stream" used in programming languages...
I'm sure you could do better.
Reply #28 Top
I'm sorry to say that, "Lord Doom", but both with format and content your postings remind me of the datatype "byte stream" used in programming languages...
I'm sure you could do better


What do you mean ??? when you blame me for my english ok but try to wirte in german than we will see who will be understud and who not...
Reply #29 Top
The U.N. is run by aliens. You're all wrong and I am correct, even though I say that without utilizing the logic areas of my brain and instead relying solely on the emotional areas.
Reply #30 Top
All this debate on the UN reminds me of a quote.

"I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. What do you think this is, the Internet?"
Reply #31 Top
I actually find Lord Doom's english very easy to understand, although slightly phonetic.
This debate is refreshing to read compared to some of what I've read on this other board.
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Reply #32 Top
Ah, Lord Doom. First substantial liberal rant. Patiently awaiting the first substantial conservative one.

No nation on Earth is a true democracy, but the US holds to democratic ideals, by which I mean libertarian ideals: free speech, religion, press, habeas corpus, illegal search and seizure. Many European democratic countries (and Canada) lack one or all of these.

A national government has a responsbility to serve the interests of the people of its own nation. Of course, this includes representing the moral values of the people of that nation, but each nation's culture has a different level of tolerance for how much the government strays from its morals. Just because a democratic government chooses to repress the Congo doesn't mean it isn't democratic, as long as repressing the Congo more or less reflects the wishes of the people.

Democracy isn't inherently good; it is a reflection of the wishes of the people. Hitler was (more or less) democratically elected. However, of all of the governments on Earth, it does the best job because it is founded on the principle of power arising from the people.
Reply #33 Top
First Consevative Rant (Substantial?):

I cant believe there is even a discussion that the UN is good. Only a fool would believe so. I wish for the day that every country would fracture into small localities. It is insanely more efficient for a small group to satisfy there needs than a large group. My wife and I can satisfy our familial needs better than the mayor of our town. And our city council can satisfy our local needs better than our governor, and so on and so forth. I think it would be excellent if my city council had full authority to do whatever it wants as long as it adhered to some version of the "bill of rights." This is the best answer for any political football being tossed around today. The Environment - Small groups have an inherent desire to preserve their resources. Only by providing a small group with the resources of the country do you have waste. There is no incentive to preserve or mediate consumption when you have access to billions in resources. If billions are available billions will be used. Education - How efficient is it for somebody who lives 3-5 thousand miles away from you to tell you what you have to learn to be productive. This kind of system only promotes conformation to the lowest common denominator. How many of you are a bright person who felt constrained by public school because you could only go as fast as the dumbest person in you class? Public education isnt broken and in need of repair. It isnt underfunded. It is a bloated over funded monster that is working perfectly according to its design. The goal of all public education is indoctrination. Which public schools around the world are executing to perfection. If public school is so great then why does nearly every upper class citizen send their children to private school? Why do many of the politicians speaking about the underfunded but doing well school system send their children to expensive private schools. Because they know that public education is the key to keeping the poor down and their families in the elite.

The bigger the government the worse off we are. Lincoln started the destrucion of the USA and FDR finished it. We need to remember that our government is not our daddy dispensing privileges but our servant guarding our rights.

Seperate off topic conservative rant: Evolution sucks. Many scientists from darwins publication of the origin of species to present day nobel prize winners have thought the theory was weak and really didnt explain what we see. Micro evolution happens but macro evolution has no evidence at all. We keep waiting for a "missing link" to show up and validate our belief in this tired theory but the only ones that have were made up by diluded scientists.

I dont know how substantial that was but I have to go to a seminar on human nutrition so that is all you get. Most of that was satire or hyperbole although I do believe most of it. Remember that when you bring out the flame thrower. Try to keep the flames down please.
Reply #34 Top
The UN did actually prevent a Nuclear Armegedon (at least once) However like the Confederate States. Confederation sucks you need a strong National government Same with a INTERNATIONAL Government. in short, if The UN was Actually a true level of government it would actually be effective and maintain True order between nations(and this time, Membership is Mandatory ) Sounds absoultly lovely... *Sighs* BUT SERIOSULY that aint hapening and the UN is faulty and doesn't do too much...

...well atleast its doing something now (Trial of Saddam:2003-2020)
Reply #35 Top
No nation on Earth is a true democracy, but the US holds to democratic ideals, by which I mean libertarian ideals: free speech, religion, press, habeas corpus, illegal search and seizure. Many European democratic countries (and Canada) lack one or all of these.


Holy... This poor thread has fallen into the depths of troll-dom. Let it die there!
Reply #37 Top
LOL!!!

Thanks for the first substantial conservative rant. Patiently awaiting mod to shut this thread down.

The only problem with the "as local as possible" ideal is that many issues have regional, national, and global impact. Pollution has impact far away from its immediate source, which is why we need effective global and national policies dealing with pollution. So does national defense. So does health care, especially epidemiology.

As for resource size vs. size of government; it's all relative. A 10-person council with $10,000 to spend is just as wasteful and corrupt as a 10,000-person body with $10,000,000 to spend. It's all relative, because each person only has a limited amount of money with which to "wet their beaks". However, it isn't true on the opposite end. A small minority of citizens are willing to devote their time and resources to watchdog operations, no matter the size of government. A 10-person council probably has 1 watchdog who really can't do much. However, a 10,000-person body probably has 500 watchdogs, and together, they can do a lot. Monitoring activities can scale up exponentially. Graft scales up linearly because it's all about the total amount of funds available. 1000 10-person local governments will steal just as much as a single 10,000 person government, not accounting for watchdog groups.

Public education has done a lot for this country; much more than coddled sons and daughters of a wealthy America appreciate. Remember when farmers and sharecroppers pulled their children out for growing season? Do you honestly believe that without publicly funded and mandated education that practice would ever have faded? In the modern post-industrial, service-oriented economy, there's still many jobs that poor parents can send their kids to do; the cultural ethos that has arisen with public and mandatory education has made that choice less culturally acceptable.

As for national vs. local curriculums, I'm going to make an anti-populist argument. There's absolutely no way that a local school district can craft a curriculum that is as high quality as a federal one, especially if the community in question is poor and underprivileged. A federal curriculum can draw on national experts. A local one can only draw on local experts. Given the number of national experts (a handful) vs. the number of local experts (many), statistical distribution alone should show that national experts tend to be higher quality. A local curriculum leads to a caste system. A community of farmers will create a farming curriculum, and a community of rich business leaders will create a business curriculum. We need the social mobility that non-local curriculums provide. Some sons of tycoons make better farmers, and it would be wrong for our society to be deprived of that farmer.

Of course rich families send their kids to private school. It's better! But we can't afford to give every child the best. Public education is SOMETHING, which is better than NOTHING. And unless you are so selfish that you only care about your own children, you'll see the need of an education that isn't privately funded. Will the poor on their own provide better education than public school? Home-schooling is great for families who can, but what about families where both parents work full time? Politicians and the wealthy underfund public education because they don't want to pay for something they don't use. But they are the only ones who can pay for it; the poor cannot fund it alone. Yes, it's redistribution of wealth, but in a system that is intended to give everyone a shot and increase social mobility, it's a little bit of socialism that I can live it.

There's two kinds of freedom: "freedom to" and "freedom from". "Freedom to" is great if you can afford it: freedom to speak, freedom to worship, freedom to assemble. "Freedom from" is important too: freedom from hunger, freedom from disease. The first is American libertarianism and capitalism. The latter is socialism. Both are freedoms. Both are important. Society must balance them both. Most Americans don't think of the latter when thinking about freedom, though, and I think we should be reminded from time to time that these are freedoms too.

Liberals and conservatives both focus on freedoms of both types, just different ones. Liberals defend freedom to speak, even if it offends religious conservatives. Religious conservatives want freedom from anti-faith speech. Conservatives want freedom to speak, even if it violates a liberal's PC sensibilities. Liberals want freedom from hate speech. Our society balances both.

As for evolution, all I have to say is that, like all theories, the Theory of Evolution has "evolved" as new evidence is found. And of course, the consensus of the scientific and theological communities has no bearing on whether Evolution or ID are "right" or not. As an educated person, you must evaluate the evidence, hypotheses, and theories for yourself. If you are open minded and ready to engage in a serious and civil discussion on Evolution, start with "What Evolution Is" by Ernst Mayr. Ignore the chapter on Human Ethics. It is secular and humanist, and will likely make you sick. But the rest of the book is a gem. What is the difference between "micro" and "macro"? Do you have a scientifically rigorous definition? Micro leads to macro when reproductive isolation is thrown into the mix, which is the real foundation for speciation. This book covers this.