Surface RT Sucks

By on February 25, 2013 8:38:10 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

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I am sorry, there is no nice way to put it.  I have had the thing for 2 months now, and find about the only thing it is good for is playing movies.  It is not even good to surf the web as you cannot load Java!  I know MS hates that (preferring ActiveX), but unfortunately many sites use it.

I also cannot use Logmein, VPN, VMWare View, or even OWA!  There is no hard client for VPN, and since RT does not do Java, you cannot use the Anyconnect.  VMWare View has a client in the "store", but it does not work.  It connects, gives you an error and then disconnects.

OWA is supposed to be Outlook anywhere, but it still does not load the mail.  You can log in, and do nothing.  Logmein wants $30 for the client, which is stupid!  My wife has the Kindle fire HD and she can do Logmein for free!  Why?  Java again.

Then there are the old standbys for anyone who has to maintain a network.  Nope!  None work.  I tried the Jailbreak, but apparently MS has gotten wise to that one.  It BSODed me at first, and now just does not work.  SO I am stuck with a very expensive paperweight that I can play movies on.

Oh, the final insult is of course Windows 8.  It has no concept of "closing" a program, so start enough of them, and you zap the battery real fast.  Which kind of defeats the purpose of a tablet (at least one major part of it).

Since the RT does not do HD (yet), I see no reason to pay for an over priced, under performing, paperweight.  I can do a lot more with the Kindle Fire or any Android OS device, and they are not even Windows!

On a scale of 1 to 10, I give this one a 2.  It gets one point for coming bundled with MS Office - Student version of course, no Outlook.

 

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February 25, 2013 8:58:27 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Do you mean Javascript, rather than Java?  Very few sites I've run across require Java (it's not even installed on my machine) but a high percentage need to be able to run Javascript.

Either way, it's sad to hear your horror story.

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February 25, 2013 9:03:13 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I also cannot use Logmein, VPN, VMWare View, or even OWA! There is no hard client for VPN, and since RT does not do Java, you cannot use the Anyconnect. VMWare View has a client in the "store", but it does not work. It connects, gives you an error and then disconnects.

The RT is a consumer tablet. WinRT is still in its infancy and isn't really intended for enterprise users who require VPNs or other apps to facilitate corporate security/policy requirements.

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February 25, 2013 9:12:56 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

"Oh, the final insult is of course Windows 8.  It has no concept of "closing" a program, so start enough of them, and you zap the battery real fast.  Which kind of defeats the purpose of a tablet (at least one major part of it)."

My daughter's Android has no way to shut down apps as well. Or none that I know of. She has to restart that machine about once a month to get it to work right.

Sorry about the crude quote use. The quote button is not working for me.

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February 25, 2013 9:23:44 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

My daughter's Android has no way to shut down apps as well. Or none that I know of. She has to restart that machine about once a month to get it to work right.

You should be able to setup an widget for ''active applications'....stick it on your default page and it'll display a count of what's running and enable closure.

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February 25, 2013 10:07:58 PM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Sounds good Jafo. I have no idea about how to do that. I'm not fluent in android operating systems. I have an app on my phone that kills open apps every 4 hours. Would that work?

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February 25, 2013 10:44:51 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting Jafo,
You should be able to setup an widget for ''active applications'....stick it on your default page and it'll display a count of what's running and enable closure.

Or this.

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February 26, 2013 3:50:29 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Dr Guy.....if you've only had it two months it should still be covered under warranty. I'd take it back and get me a refund. No sense having something you paid for that doesn't work.

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February 26, 2013 3:57:47 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Quoting ,

Oh, the final insult is of course Windows 8.  It has no concept of "closing" a program, so start enough of them, and you zap the battery real fast.  Which kind of defeats the purpose of a tablet (at least one major part of it).

Actually it does.  If the app is not in focus it will suspend, thereby using no resources or battery whatsoever.

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February 26, 2013 10:11:08 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Daiwa,

Do you mean Javascript, rather than Java?  Very few sites I've run across require Java (it's not even installed on my machine) but a high percentage need to be able to run Javascript.

Either way, it's sad to hear your horror story.

Yes, I use the 2 interchangeably.  Sorry for my misstatement.

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February 26, 2013 10:13:05 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting kryo,
The RT is a consumer tablet. WinRT is still in its infancy and isn't really intended for enterprise users who require VPNs or other apps to facilitate corporate security/policy requirements.

That is an understatement.  But yes, it is the consumer version.  However, many companies are setting up access for BYOD devices.  Surface RT has made sure you cannot.  If my Company wants to get me a Pro (an overpriced under performing laptop), that is fine.  But this is MY personal device that I would like to use to check mail and even to check on the status of things.  But Microsoft has made sure I cannot.

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February 26, 2013 10:16:05 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting kona0197,
My daughter's Android has no way to shut down apps as well. Or none that I know of. She has to restart that machine about once a month to get it to work right.

I have run across that as well. and had this been a real comparison between Android and RT, that would be a wash.But this was just a rant against Surface RT.  Android has some issues of its own (like only playing MP4s, not AVI or DIVX formats).

I noted that Stardock has a nice Start menu replacement for windows 8.  I have not found it on the "store" for RT and I suspect Windows will not authorize it to be put there.

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February 26, 2013 10:17:24 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting kryo,


Quoting Jafo, reply 4You should be able to setup an widget for ''active applications'....stick it on your default page and it'll display a count of what's running and enable closure.

Or this.

You get a cookie for that link!  Yes, I have an Android phone and restart it periodically to clean out the Apps.  I LIKE this!  Thanks!

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February 26, 2013 10:22:00 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Uvah,

Dr Guy.....if you've only had it two months it should still be covered under warranty. I'd take it back and get me a refund. No sense having something you paid for that doesn't work.

It was a Christmas Present.  My wife is a legal expert - but not a technology one.  This is the first time she actually got me something geekie, so I am hesitant to return it.

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February 26, 2013 10:22:44 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Savyg,
If the app is not in focus it will suspend, thereby using no resources or battery whatsoever.

It uses minimal resources and battery.  It still uses some.

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February 26, 2013 11:04:03 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Dr Guy,
Yes, I use the 2 interchangeably.

They are entirely different things, despite sharing 4 sequential letters.

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February 26, 2013 11:27:26 AM from WinCustomize Forums WinCustomize Forums

Quoting Dr Guy,
so I am hesitant to return it.

If you explain that it isn't working properly I'm sure she'll understand and her legal expertise is quite an asset in that regard. Hope it all works out for you.

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February 26, 2013 11:28:39 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

Also, it does have a concept of closing programs.  I don't know how to do it with touch, but on the PC you just hover to bring up the task switcher on the left and right click on whatever WinRT app you want to close.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/02/07/improving-power-efficiency-for-applications.aspx

In the second state, after you launch an app and then switch away from it, the operating system suspends it. This means that the Windows scheduler (the component that schedules CPU access for processes and threads) does not include it in the CPU scheduling. Since the operating system is not scheduling the app, the app is not using the CPU, and it is possible for the CPU to drop into lower power states. Getting the CPU into low power states can be critical to achieving better battery life. Developers may be familiar with this approach, as it is similar to what happens to a process when you are debugging an app and you “pause” it. Essentially, all of the threads running for the app are halted. Suspended apps are in a similar kind of cached state. Since the app is already initialized, you get the benefit of instantaneous app switching. It’s simply a matter of the operating system scheduler allowing the app execution to progress again when it is switched back into the foreground.

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February 26, 2013 12:17:17 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

It's more hover in the corner and move up or down, but I can't edit posts anymore   Whee!

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February 26, 2013 3:23:13 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Daiwa,
despite sharing 4 sequential letters.

I know.  My error.

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February 26, 2013 3:23:42 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Uvah,
If you explain that it isn't working properly I'm sure she'll understand and her legal expertise is quite an asset in that regard. Hope it all works out for you.

I like your thinking!

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February 26, 2013 3:25:08 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Quoting Savyg,
It's more hover in the corner and move up or down, but I can't edit posts anymore

I will give that a try. 

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March 5, 2013 8:22:20 AM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

Actually, closing an application is simple. Swipe it from the top and go all the down, the app closes. I like the Surface RT for what it is. Yes, there are some limitations, but it wasn't really intended to be a full laptop machine, or a professional IT machine,

I've had mine for a while now and use it daily (typing this on it now), and haven't had any problems with websites. There are some, like JU, that work better with the desktop IE than the Metro one, but that's no big deal.

Like most things, it isn't going to be a good fit for everyone. It's great for me, not so much for you. Such is the nature of technology at times.

As for the Pro, I'll pass until they can build one with a longer battery life. Right now the charge doesn't do any better than your average notebook so I don't see any point to buying one. If they can get that up to 8 to 10 hours I would consider it.

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March 5, 2013 1:40:51 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

My wife can do more on the Kindle Fire than I can on the Surface RT.  I do not want a full blown laptop, but a pad that I can use in an airport (or even on a plane).  Other than browsing the internet (restricted due to the limitations of the browser) and watching movies, there is not a lot that it is useful for.

Even the iPad, the bane of windows - has more functionality.

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March 5, 2013 6:28:17 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I guess everyone's needs are different. As I mentioned, I use mine on a daily basis, often at public wifi locations, and have had no problems at all doing anything I wanted or needed to do.

I guess that's why it's great to have so many different devices and operating system from which to choose; something for everyone. Honestly, I can do a lot of things on my Surface I could never do on my iPad (which I gave away after getting the Surface).

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March 5, 2013 6:29:57 PM from JoeUser Forums JoeUser Forums

I love the fact that my office can email my over-size permits and other documents and with just a couple of screen taps can wirelessly print them out right in my truck. Never could get that to work with my iPad or any of my Android tablets.

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