Overflow Mechanics?

By on November 1, 2012 1:15:33 AM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

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I'm completely new to this series, having just bought it on Steam the other day.  I'm not new to the genre.  I'm trying to understand what happens to leftover production when a ship or improvement is completed.  For instance, if a unit costs 100 production and I add 20 production to it on a turn on which I had already invested 99 previously, what happens to the 19 "extra" production.  Similarly, I would like to know what happens to leftover research when a technology is researched.

From playing around with the game, it appears that at least for improvements, the excess production is entirely lost.  Is this correct?  Am I still paying for the production that is wasted?  Are there any tips for dealing with your empire to minimize production or research lost to overflow?

Also is there any "easy" way to see how much an improvement costs?  I can't figure it out without messing with sliders and until I find the break point where it goes from x turns to x+1 turns.  Right clicking seems to do nothing and I can't find a civilopedia type of thing in game.

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November 1, 2012 9:07:01 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

I'm not sure about the overflow for improvements but as far as I'm aware leftover production does carry over between ship production.  I remember because there was a stink about it years back and there was a patch which addressed it.

With research, if there is another tech right after the one you've finished, the leftover beakers are allocated to that.  Unfortunately if you reach a dead-end at some point in the tech tree, any excess research is lost there, but it is relatively easy to tune the sliders until a research project will take a certain number of turns - barring of course changes in research speed due to new labs, new research boosts, or fluctuations in the amount of research received from research treaties.

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November 1, 2012 5:44:20 PM from Stardock Forums Stardock Forums

I just tested this with ships.  A self designed small colony ship costs 90 production.  My planet was producing 113 per turn.  It completed one and the next turn I put the colony to an emphasis on research, dropping its production to 85.  The build time then was 2 turns.  If my 23 production had been carried over it would have still been a 1 turn deal (23 +85>90).

So either that patch was reverted, or it never actually went in.

Am I still paying for the hammers that were wasted?

This is a puzzling design decision to say the least.  If you could micro each planet then it would be slightly less puzzling, but the fact that your individual planets focuses are mostly governed by an empire wide slider means that you can almost never effectively avoid wasting production.

I just tested research and it seems that this actually does carry over even allowing research of multiple techs in one turn,

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November 1, 2012 7:55:38 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Okay well then no, you don't get overflow production.  Sorry about that.  However, a Google search turned up an interesting six-years-old post about the 1.1 patch which mentions that overflow production should be reimbursed.  I don't know for sure that it is even after reading the exhaustive 1.1 release notes so, you'd have to experiment with it to see if that's the case.

Of course, your ledger and planet screen spending figure may only reflect what happens if production is fully used this turn.  Your actual change in treasury from this turn to the next will, if that post is correct, mean that you don't pay for wasted hammers.

This is also necessarily true when you aren't producing anything on a planet.  Though you still pay maintenance on your structures, any military or social funding that simply isn't being used gets refunded.  However, going from producing something to idle is not immediately reflected in the planetary spending total or the ledger, you have to end turn for it to update.

Idle colonies are inefficient, of course, but warships cost money in maintenance and transports suck up population.  It does feel like sometimes I'm paying money to build more things that suck money.

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