pacov's League of Legends general discussion thread - strategies, etc

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Well, I started a thread  back in August (http://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

  • Added 12/5/2011:  For anyone that is level 30 with an account in good standing, you can participate in the tribunal.  This is a system that was setup by riot to allow the community to police their own.  In short, you get to review cases where players have been reported and recommend that a player is forgiven or punished for their behavior.  Check it out here:  http://na.leagueoflegends.com/Tribunal
  • You can view players stats here:  http://www.lolking.net. - this is a useful way to get info on your previous matches and to look up players if you like (updated 11/25/2012)
  • Sites that are ok for player build guides, etc: www.solomid.net and www.mobafire.com
  • Added 12/5/2011:  You can get a free unchained alistar skin - this also gives you the character for free as well.  See here:  http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/45610/t1685348-free-unchained-alistar-skin/
  • Added 06/7/2012:  You can get the riot girl Tristana skin for free by following Riot's youtube channel.  This also unlocks the character for you.

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.  Seriously.  Play the tutorial.
  • Riot gives you some RP after you play your first game or so.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character.  You'll typically notice this a little after you play your first game.
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  You will need to learn when you should push a lane and when you should just last hit (this means DO NOT attack the creep wave, just let the creeps fight each other and then snag a last hit whenever possible) - the number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Added 12/5/2011:  So, you know you can't get level 3 runes until you hit level 20?  Hedgie came up with a way to get level 3 runes at any point.  The bad news, its random.  Here's what you do.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  Anyway, its not the best system as its completely random, but it does work and does give you a chance to get tier 3 runes at any time.  Another thing to consider, you can always keep the random tier 2 rune if it happens you ended up with a good deal or got something you need.  Going that route, you spend 375 IP and would have 5 random tier 2 runes.  That's fairly cost effective for 375 IP.
  • Added 12/5/2011:  Consider saving IP for when you hit level 30.  Having tier 3 runes is a reasonable advantage.  If you don't save now, I guarantee you are going to be a little sorry when you hit level 30 and spend all your time slowly unlocking runes.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

Great site for various stats that you can't find other places - http://quickfind.kassad.in/

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

Mods I use (updated 4/18/2013)

Well, here's where I'll list the goofy stuff I'm using for mods, etc.  I'm hosting these on my box.net site.

Audio mods

  • Unreal Tournament Announcer Mod - this is the base set of files you need to load custom audio.  I use this so I can use the flamboyant announcer mod.  Basically, this enables you to hear custom audio when you get a kill, etc.
  • Flamboyant Announcer Mod - this mod is basically a flamboyant fellow lisping and saying things like double kill.  It's originally a mod from heroes of nerwerth and its something I currently have loaded.  You NEED the unreal tournament announcer mod for this to work.

Visual mods

LoL text changer mod - This mod simply modifies it so that the various chat dialog messages that pop up in game are easier to read or suppressed.  For instance, its very useful to be able to find the dragon timer by checking through chat.  You can make it that particular message is easy to find.  You can also suppress various messages.  This is a little more complicated to use than I'd like, so good luck if you want to try it out.

Stat overlay - This program provides an overlay and looks up everyone you are playing w/ against in game after the load screen.  In short, it simplifies using lolking during the load screen.  You just press caps lock after the game starts and the stat information will populate. Program is easy to use, but I'm sure some will have an issue with being able to check folks stats out this way.  If you have a problem with it, just don't use the program ofc.


Vlogs - here's where I jibba jabba about what's going on with me/feedback from games.  As I create more entries, I'll update this playlist.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1ZJvTIZpd4&list=PL1dGpOq1NyJkKISmXY32V9Buncb6bNFJn

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May 15, 2012 3:39:50 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

They launched the game to the second.  As in, the instant my phone hit the right time, the servers were up and not before.  Of course, their servers only made it about 35 minutes before dying, but thats another issue.  Ah, single player games that are unplayable when servers go down.

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May 15, 2012 9:47:17 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Been playing since a little after 8AM EST.  Need to get you folks added as pals in game.  Think we need battle tags or whatever they call it.  Back to demon hunting.

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May 15, 2012 12:10:21 PM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

How has your connectivity been? There is a huge backlash against the game on review sites (3.6/10 on userscore metacritic currently). May be too early for this, but how is the story/lore?

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May 15, 2012 12:19:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting AragornV,
How has your connectivity been? There is a huge backlash against the game on review sites (3.6/10 on userscore metacritic currently). May be too early for this, but how is the story/lore?

I'm having fun with the game and have experienced ZERO issues with connectivity.  I have no doubt that there was an issue like Karl said, though. Pretty good odds that pissed off anyone wanted to marathon play ALOT (hence the f u metacritic user garbage - I'd pay it no mind).

I'm enjoying the story so far and all the different folks I meet.

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May 15, 2012 2:40:52 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

grrr....

 

11:30 a.m. PDT- We are in the process of performing an emergency maintenance for Diablo III servers in the Americas to resolve several issues that are currently impacting the game. This maintenance may cause some interruption in communication, ability to log in, use of in-game features, and disconnections. We anticipate all servers will be available for play at approximately 1:30 p.m. PDT. We will provide further updates as necessary. Thank you for your patience.

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10: 22 a.m. PDT- We are in the process of performing an emergency maintenance for all North American Diablo III servers to resolve several issues that are currently impacting the game. This maintenance may cause some interruption in communication, ability to log in, use of in-game features, and disconnections. We anticipate all servers will be available for play in approximately 1 hour.

 

MUTHER FUGGER

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May 15, 2012 2:57:52 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

here's my battletag to add me - pacov#1150

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May 15, 2012 4:18:59 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

works now..

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May 15, 2012 5:21:31 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

doesn't work now... yay... got to play for a whole hour.  super.

1:55 p.m. PDT - Starting at approximately 2:15 p.m. PDT, we will be bringing Diablo III servers in the Americas offline for urgent maintenance to address several issues that are impacting the game. We anticipate that maintenance will last for about an hour and that servers will be available at approximately 3:30 p.m. PDT. We will provide further updates as they are necessary. Thank you for your patience.

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May 15, 2012 5:45:59 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Are they knocking out single player too?

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May 15, 2012 6:30:20 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

and its back...

its a game that requires the servers to be up to play SP - so yeah, that drm is a bitch.

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May 15, 2012 8:30:29 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

soo... the auction house.  I dig it.  There are 2 types of auction houses - one is for gold. Gold is just the normal currency you pick up when you kill things, etc (no real world money equivalent).  The other is for actual cash.  The cash bit goes live next week sometime.  I'll probably list things for super low prices on the cash site and see how that goes later, but I've been doing great at the normal auction house so far.  It's pretty cool.  You get a nice drop, you use it for as long as it is useful, and then you sell it when it is not.  So far, everything I've posted has sold.  And you get the gold pretty much instantly.  Anyway, its another angle to the game and I really dig it. 

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May 15, 2012 11:43:02 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

woot!  They managed to hose battle.net completely.  Thus, Europe, at long last, feels the pain of the americas!  Enjoy.  Me =  wonders if they blew out wow, sc2, etc when they botched whatever they botched a few min ago...

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May 15, 2012 11:56:35 PM from Sins of a Solar Empire Forums Sins of a Solar Empire Forums

Fuck em all for that crap...

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May 15, 2012 11:59:23 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

hahah - eat it europe - it's all about the small victories.  Anyway, here's hoping I can play again after work tomorrow. It really is a lot of fun when its working anyway. 

 

 

and a friendly reminder to the lol team - we are on for Thursday at 8:15PM EST. 

IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN BECOMING AN ALTERNATE FOR OUR LOL TEAM?

You'd essentially be a backup.  I believe we could have 2 total.

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May 16, 2012 12:36:46 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I CANT MAKE IT THURSDAY EITHER. BEST FRIEND COMING TO TOWN FOR LIMITED TIME AND HE LIVES IN WISCONSIN SO I LIKE NEVER SEE HIM.  YOU SHOULD FIND AN ALTERNATE ASAP.

 

p.s. lvl 30 oh shit.. almost finished w/ act IV before crash

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May 16, 2012 2:09:33 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

You should come visit Wisconsin some time RAWRRR. You could hang out with me and your best buddy then! 

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May 16, 2012 10:47:35 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

i was there 2 years ago np  

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May 16, 2012 6:10:01 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting 4Nana,
i was there 2 years ago np  

 

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May 16, 2012 8:37:51 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Quoting pacov,
here's my battletag to add me - pacov#1150

I have rawr added - anyone else pick up d3?  add me and mayhaps we play or chit chat sometime. 

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May 16, 2012 10:48:33 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

guys - unless we can find a sub, no team game night tomorrow due to commitments on rawr's side of things. 

Just so we are clear - we've had exactly 1 game night now and now, 2 skipped game nights.  Obviously, this thing will fall apart and that will be that if we can't meet together.  I'm only harping on it because we still haven't really formed a committed team based on those stats.  Anyway, we'd love to get an alternate and I'll b on around 8:15 or so in case folks want to play, but we won't be playing ranked teams.  If you just want to pass on tomorrow because we won't have a full team, feel free.  We all need to be there next Tuesday if at all possible.  Need to build up a little consistency.

Speaking of consistency, d3 needed "maintenance" during my after work time.  Yay - best time to do maintenance is out of hours, right?  Ah well, about to play some more d3 now.

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May 17, 2012 9:35:26 AM from Elemental Forums Elemental Forums

I was still planning on playing at that time. Having an alternate is pretty key though, as I'm sure things will come up for 1 person here and there and that pretty much kills the team play.

 

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May 17, 2012 8:02:56 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

I'll be on LoL at 8:15... well, I'm on now, but not playing until then.

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May 17, 2012 10:30:50 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

quick notes before i go to diablo 3land for an hour - we had the full team minus rawr.  I made the mistake of making rawr the team captain without thinking of the repercussions (eg I can't add members to the team).  So, I get everyone to drop from our existing 1 and 1 team.  Rawr - make sure you leave the Here We Chill team (our original team).  I invite everyone to a new team called How We Chill.  We play 3 games.  1 loss (1st game) and 2 wins (vs terribad teams).  McShane has joined our team as an alternate.  So, rawr, accept the invite to our team when you see it and leave the old team (to disband). 

Next team night is tuesday 8:15EST.  Be there if at all possible.  I think we could also get pete as a 2nd alternate if needed. 

Thanks for everyone that showed up.  Fun games and good discussion about our loss.  Danke!

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May 17, 2012 11:20:16 PM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Oh my lord all of my bot lanes are soooo useless. I don't even want to think about my mejai's rushing support lux from last match or mr. get grabbed graves. Makes me so angry.

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May 18, 2012 12:21:23 AM from Demigod Forums Demigod Forums

Listen - if your support doesn't have a snowball item, you know they are crap. 

Actually - support is pretty damn close to the one character that a snowball item is worth it on.  They always roll with a solid assist ratio and generally low deaths... a rush is just a joke, though.  I wish I could figure out a reasonable way to get a snowball added.  I mean, think about it.  A decent support will always be out of "i'm dead range" and be getting assists.  Obviously stupid on the melee support crowd, but really, for the cost, its pretty damn awesome on one of the ranged supports - just no one does it. 

 

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