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Noob on the loose

By Goekhan on September 9, 2008 7:31:11 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

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Greetings, I'm new to this game (all galciv) but I really enjoy it. Played demo of Gold Edition, then got all stuff. bla bla bla etc...

 

The thing is (I'm playing with Terrans, my diplomacy bonus is nearly 230% at the moment), I can trade nearly everything I want for ridiculous prices, if I want a tech, I get it for 80-200bc (it could be based on a percentage, I don't know), and if I want to sell a tech, I can just rip them off.

 

2nd thing is, sometimes they offer some techs that I already have, sincerely ending up with rejecting.

 

3rd thing is, as I guess, techs with a "*" in front of them are race specific techs. But what about the other techs that I cannot research? They seem to be categorized as a normal tech that you can research (no "*" in front of it), wouldn't another marker be useful for these?

 

And, if there is anything else with *'s, please explain. Thanks!

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Loupdinour
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September 10, 2008 11:59:18 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

And * means it only exists in thier tree, but there also are techs that are in some other race's trees that, as you mentioned, aren't flagged in any way.

They shouldn't be able to offer a tech you already have...perhaps it's a tech that gives the same thing as you have, but it has a different name?  If this is the case and it has a passive bonus accosiated to it...SNAG IT.  The passive bonus will stack along with yours

As for diplomacy...yup, that's how it works unfortunatly.  Also note, to further rip them off, don't bundle techs on your side to sell.  There is a discount to each tech if you place more than 1 on the table for a trade.  Sure it'll take longer to sell off all your goods, but you'll make more money from it.  Same goes with buying from them, try to stack as many as you can to reduce the cost.

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garion333
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September 10, 2008 12:33:57 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Loupdinour,
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There is a discount to each tech if you place more than 1 on the table for a trade.

*smacks head* I never knew that. All this time . . .

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Loupdinour
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September 10, 2008 12:43:21 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

I forget the %, but it can be something easily figured out by taking note of the amount they are willing to sell for singley and doubled up...or even if the number of techs on the table changes this %...etc.  All I know was there is a discount lol.

Eh, nobody knows everything, and I sure hope it stays that way for community/social reasons

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September 10, 2008 4:28:35 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Loupdinour,
reply 1
They shouldn't be able to offer a tech you already have...perhaps it's a tech that gives the same thing as you have, but it has a different name?

 

I'll take a screenshot next time, but for example, I've researched Phasors IV and Iconians show up and try to trade my Phasors IV with Good and Evil, but I can only recognize it from the text, I mean, as techs, Phasors IV on my side shows up, but their side is empty, because I've already researched Good and Evil. That's the problem

 

And, do you guys know if I research something, will other techs receive a TP increase? I'm asking this because I saw that Harpoon I is requiring 8k TP and the tech after Harpoon III (I can't remember the name) requires the same amount. But I cannot believe Harpoon I requires just 8k, I think that's a bit much ??? Thanks (btw, meanwhile, my diplomacy is 283%, and only techs remaining are - Advanced Starbase things, some missile techs and Xeno Farm techs - traded & researched the rest, it's very fun to have 3 planetary improvements that boosts my manufacturing - 900 military with 55% social + military FTW )

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September 10, 2008 5:48:43 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Ah, I have seen stuff like that...the blank other side and the flavor text saying tey want to trade something for your other thing.

One thing to take note of next time is if that 'blank' tech was one you finished the prior round or the round coming up.  The AI does everything while you are, with the exception of the ships moving in space.  Their orders are already commited, but they don't move/attack until after you hit turn.  This is the reason you may see them invade a planet of your's w/o a war declaration...they tried to invade who you just invaded lol.

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September 10, 2008 6:20:52 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

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October 1, 2008 7:52:26 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Speaking about techs. I can't find "shock troops" in ToA normal game anymore. It's only available in "Battle of the Gods" game mode (researched). Note that I'm playing 1.95.

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Loupdinour
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October 1, 2008 8:13:18 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Greatergood34,
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Speaking about techs. I can't find "shock troops" in ToA normal game anymore. It's only available in "Battle of the Gods" game mode (researched). Note that I'm playing 1.95.

In all races or just one in particular?

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October 1, 2008 8:22:18 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

yep, all races

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Loupdinour
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October 1, 2008 8:54:35 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

huh.  I just looked at the 1.96 patch notes and it doesn't mention anything about that as a fixed bug.  I guess I've never noticed it missing or it isn't missing on my machine.

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Sole Soul
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October 1, 2008 12:25:55 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Greatergood34,
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Speaking about techs. I can't find "shock troops" in ToA normal game anymore. It's only available in "Battle of the Gods" game mode (researched). Note that I'm playing 1.95.

If you're looking for mini-soldiers, only the Drengin and Korath have them now, via a tech called ultimate shock troops.

If you're looking for the tech itself, perhaps for its additional 15 soldiering, it isn't in any of the racial trees in TA, but for some reason still exists in the default tree.

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October 2, 2008 1:57:28 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Still can't find Mini Soldiers...

The "Ultimate shock troops" is in the front of the tect tree, it gives me 15 soldiering and unlocks "Planetary Bombarment". The last technology in "Planetary Invasion" is "Advance Troop Mod".

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Sole Soul
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October 2, 2008 10:54:59 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Greatergood34,
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Still can't find Mini Soldiers...

The "Ultimate shock troops" is in the front of the tect tree, it gives me 15 soldiering and unlocks "Planetary Bombarment". The last technology in "Planetary Invasion" is "Advance Troop Mod".

Ultimate Shock Troops gives me mini soldiers as Drengin/Korath.  Further, it gives me 25 soldiering.

This may be a dumb question-and given the discrepancy above I believe we may have found where the problem lies-but you are aware that mini-soldiers is an invasion tactic, and as such is 1) unlocked by a given tech (ultimate shock troops in this instance) and 2) more to the point will not actually show up, as for instance a tech, in the tech tree, correct?

If you've somehow overlooked that, you might care to try invading someone after you've researched ultimate shock troops.

Thirdly, why 1.95?  1.96 is the latest non-beta.

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October 2, 2008 1:49:40 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Maybe there was an unnoticed but in 1.95? When I use Galactopedia against my 1.96 installation, I see Shock Troops in most of the trees. The Thalans, Torians, and maybe a few others don't have them.

Maybe there's something wacky about the new XML files that means Galactopedia thinks a tech is available but the game doesn't?

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October 2, 2008 2:54:26 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting GW Swicord,
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Maybe there was an unnoticed but in 1.95? When I use Galactopedia against my 1.96 installation, I see Shock Troops in most of the trees. The Thalans, Torians, and maybe a few others don't have them.

Maybe there's something wacky about the new XML files that means Galactopedia thinks a tech is available but the game doesn't?

For the record, my information comes from the most recent TA (1.99rc aka 2.0 beta), and I'm using Galactopedia as well to retrieve it.

And I'm -not- seeing Shock Troops in any tree except the default, and in Drengin/Korath as Ultimate Shock Troops.

I don't believe this is a beta change, either-I was looking through the files previously, both the actual xml and via Galactopedia, with 1.96 to try to figure out what tech tree I wanted to play, and I didn't see it in any other places then, either.

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October 2, 2008 5:38:13 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

And I'm -not- seeing Shock Troops in any tree except the default, and in Drengin/Korath as Ultimate Shock Troops.

My bad--I was trusting the Galactopedia UI too much and not using the scroll bar to check what appeared to be successful search results.

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October 11, 2008 9:39:19 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

So.... where are my Mini soldiers anyways? Do you guys get them? Or only me who don't have those?

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Sole Soul
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October 12, 2008 6:08:55 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Ultimate Shock Troops gives me mini soldiers as Drengin/Korath.  Further, it gives me 25 soldiering.

This may be a dumb question-and given the discrepancy above I believe we may have found where the problem lies-but you are aware that mini-soldiers is an invasion tactic, and as such is 1) unlocked by a given tech (ultimate shock troops in this instance) and 2) more to the point will not actually show up, as for instance a tech, in the tech tree, correct?

If you've somehow overlooked that, you might care to try invading someone after you've researched ultimate shock troops.

Thirdly, why 1.95?  1.96 is the latest non-beta.

If you'd care to respond to my latest post directed at you, we might be able to continue trying to help you.

In addition-I apologize if this has already been covered, but I don't remember it if it has-are you running any mods?

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October 14, 2008 1:30:08 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Sorry, but I still can't find my mini soldiers. Further, Those soldiers is the best invasion tactic, so it must be the last of Planetary invasion tree. And, I have already attacked some planets, but I can't find the tactic called "minisoldiers".

I'm playing normal game with out patches, I can't download by Impulse or Stardock central. Somebody with direct download link, please give me. Please please please please.

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October 14, 2008 7:21:24 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

IMHO Tidal Warfare is my favorite to use.  I prefer to not damage the planet itself, since I'm playing TA I'm use to loosing buildings on invasion, so I mine as well be the one actively destroying them huh?

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October 14, 2008 4:26:27 PM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Quoting Loupdinour,
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IMHO Tidal Warfare is my favorite to use.  I prefer to not damage the planet itself, since I'm playing TA I'm use to loosing buildings on invasion, so I mine as well be the one actively destroying them huh?

Quite often, I find myself buying the techs for various production buildings to avoid that. I have no interest in having slave pits, but I like to be able to use them to build real factories.

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October 15, 2008 12:48:30 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

My apologies for Sole, I found it, You were right. Thank you.

Will Someone gimme the direct link download ToA patches?

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October 15, 2008 12:50:45 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

My apologies for Sole, I found it, You were right. Thank you.

Will Someone gimme the direct link download ToA patches?

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October 15, 2008 7:13:09 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

Impulse/SDC is the only source for patches anymore.

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October 15, 2008 8:35:17 AM from GalCiv II Forums GalCiv II Forums

I know, but my Impulse and Stardock central  is unusable. Can you upload the patches to Rapidshare or MediaFire for me?

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